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Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:55 pm
by Badtrain80
Hello I am new here!! I would like to here your thoughts on a some breed crosses. I have two brangus cows that gave birth to calves from a full blooded Santa Gurtrudis bull. I also have a full blooded Hereford cow that calve from the same bull!! My questions are do they have any value outside the action house. The Hereford cow calve a bull and its younger by two weeks to the other two calves and its visually larger in comparison! The other two are a heifer and another bull! All three of them are orange or dark orange in color! The first guy mom is a brangus the second guy mom is the Hereford and last it's the heifer her mom is a brangus. Anything will help. Thanks!!
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Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:58 pm
by Brute 23
The heifers might but I'm not sure the potential added money is worth the headache. The bull calf needs to go to auction.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:03 pm
by Caustic Burno
Not really

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:11 pm
by ALACOWMAN
If the one out of the Hereford cow was a heifer, she would have good value..makes a great cross, like to have a few myself....

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:24 pm
by Badtrain80
Ok thanks! I was honestly hoping for better feed back. The stud service was cheap could not pass plus trying to grow the herd without spending to much on buying cattle.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:47 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Badtrain80 wrote:Ok thanks! I was honestly hoping for better feed back. The stud service was cheap could not pass plus trying to grow the herd without spending to much on buying cattle.

Sometimes using the wrong sire can wind up costing you...you'd have been better off using a good brangus bull over those cows...growing a herd is easy with time... Growing a good one,another thing all together.. One thing I don't skimp on a good bull...but it takes time ,mistakes and experience,to get there..it's a constant battle

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:49 pm
by ALACOWMAN
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Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:13 pm
by Caustic Burno
Badtrain80 wrote:Ok thanks! I was honestly hoping for better feed back. The stud service was cheap could not pass plus trying to grow the herd without spending to much on buying cattle.


Gerts have really went down in popularity. Back in the fifties uncle ran 250 head.
You can't find one now Brangus the F-1 and BM became the preferred Brahman influenced cattle.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:10 am
by WalnutCrest
Keep the heifer. Castrate and sell the bulls.

Rinse.

Repeat.

... and as said above ... get a good bull from a cow family that produces good tempered, deep bodied, fertile cattle.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:47 am
by greybeard
Caustic Burno wrote:
You can't find one now Brangus the F-1 and BM became the preferred Brahman influenced cattle.

You ever heard of anyone in the SW use Droughtmasters?

I've read conflicting articles on them about their makeup. Some say 50/50 Brahma/Shorthorn..some say there can be hereford or other bos taurus in the mix.
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/catt ... ghtmaster/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughtmaster

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:59 am
by Caustic Burno
GB I have read about them if I ever saw one I didn't know it.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:11 am
by WalnutCrest
Caustic Burno wrote:GB I have read about them if I ever saw one I didn't know it.


+1

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:59 pm
by greybeard
Never saw one myself, and I know how breeders and breed associations are about the pics they post, but I never saw a picture of one I didn't like. I don't remember ever reading about a single US or North American Droughtmaster producer tho. No one wanted to just make 2/3 of a beefmaster I guess...
http://www.thecattlesite.com/breeds/bee ... ghtmaster/

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:14 pm
by Rafter S
You said you'd hoped for better feedback. I didn't think there was anything wrong with what you got, but maybe it wasn't what you wanted to hear. If you're using AI I'd recommend using a Brangus bull on the Hereford cows, and vice versa. You can't go wrong with super baldies.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:43 pm
by elkwc
I would watch the heifer develop. I have seen many good cows with Gert in them. The same can be said about Brangus. Either is a good cross if you are looking for some Brahma benefits without as much dockage. To be truthful IMO it is too early to tell a lot about any of the calves.