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Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:23 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Post Oak wrote:I still wanna buy one in the future.


I'm still running a 2012 but next year I plan on a newer model. He's been a solid bull for us.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:36 am
by Dogs and Cows
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Post Oak wrote:I still wanna buy one in the future.


I'm still running a 2012 but next year I plan on a newer model. He's been a solid bull for us.



Any pics of him TT??

Tim

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:16 pm
by mrvictordomino
Heifer mates to the bulls. 10 1/2 - 12 months old.

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Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:39 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Dogs and Cows wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Post Oak wrote:I still wanna buy one in the future.


I'm still running a 2012 but next year I plan on a newer model. He's been a solid bull for us.



Any pics of him TT??

Tim


But of course!


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Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:41 pm
by cow pollinater
I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:43 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
5 year old Victor Domino cow.

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Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:44 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.


What papers?

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:47 pm
by cow pollinater
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.


What papers?

Click on the links he provided.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:58 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
cow pollinater wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.


What papers?

Click on the links he provided.


Okay.

All I can speak to is personal experience with our Domino cows and in 5 years we've never pulled a calf and only had one dead calf and that was from the sack around its head suffocating the calf post delivery.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:19 pm
by mrvictordomino
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.

Interesting....Folks who study the numbers always find the MCE. There were a couple of bulls in this bloodline back in the eighties that had terrible maternal calving ease numbers. This EPD trait must not be very accurate if for over thirty years of one of the easiest calving herd of cattle cannot make a significant change in these numbers. Since working publicly for over thirty-eight years, and having a cow herd calving on their own with no extra help in calving 30-40 two year old heifers per year, I can assure you that I need problem free cattle first and foremost. Haven't had anyone to be able to explain this to me. One of the qualities of this herd is the calving ease trait.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:32 pm
by cow pollinater
mrvictordomino wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.

Interesting....Folks who study the numbers always find the MCE. There were a couple of bulls in this bloodline back in the eighties that had terrible maternal calving ease numbers. This EPD trait must not be very accurate if for over thirty years of one of the easiest calving herd of cattle cannot make a significant change in these numbers. Since working publicly for over thirty-eight years, and having a cow herd calving on their own with no extra help in calving 30-40 two year old heifers per year, I can assure you that I need problem free cattle first and foremost. Haven't had anyone to be able to explain this to me. One of the qualities of this herd is the calving ease trait.

Not to be arguementative, but you're calving registered heifers, right? My results WILL vary since I'm looking at at least 4% increase in birth weight from heterosis and sometimes as much as 15%. If I bought one of your bulls as a commercial cowman I'd be the one to spot the problem before you would.
Overall they're very good cattle but that's a sticking point for me.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:14 pm
by mrvictordomino
cow pollinater wrote:
mrvictordomino wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:I really like a whole lot of what I see on those papers. I like to see that low to mid range mature cow weight(very happy to see it, a biggy for me on herefords). I like to see that kind of marbling. I like that they are all pretty similar so someone could really just go pick the one that looks best to them phenotype wise and by the numbers expect to have it perform very similar to the rest of the bulls so there is no bad choice.
The big hole that I see is maternal calving ease and it would be a deal breaker for me.

Interesting....Folks who study the numbers always find the MCE. There were a couple of bulls in this bloodline back in the eighties that had terrible maternal calving ease numbers. This EPD trait must not be very accurate if for over thirty years of one of the easiest calving herd of cattle cannot make a significant change in these numbers. Since working publicly for over thirty-eight years, and having a cow herd calving on their own with no extra help in calving 30-40 two year old heifers per year, I can assure you that I need problem free cattle first and foremost. Haven't had anyone to be able to explain this to me. One of the qualities of this herd is the calving ease trait.

Not to be arguementative, but you're calving registered heifers, right? My results WILL vary since I'm looking at at least 4% increase in birth weight from heterosis and sometimes as much as 15%. If I bought one of your bulls as a commercial cowman I'd be the one to spot the problem before you would.
Overall they're very good cattle but that's a sticking point for me.

I agree with what you are saying, but the actual results from bull customers (High percentage commercial on different breeds) over the last couple decades show them to be problem free in this area. I cannot explain these values and what it would take change them. No one at the association has been of any help either.

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:39 am
by Nesikep
mrvictordomino wrote:Heifer mates to the bulls. 10 1/2 - 12 months old.

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I know it's just a personal preference, but I am fussy about head shapes, and I find many herefords just don't look appealing to my eye.. I like that 651 heifer all around, and 601 and 631 are pleasing to me as well

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:50 am
by TennesseeTuxedo
Danny, if you are so inclined post a link for Ike and let's look at his EPDs since he's been covering Angus cows in a commercial herd since 2013 with zero losses. The calf I mentioned that died was Angus sired.

Thanks

Re: The Victor Domino Line

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:21 am
by Dogs and Cows
That is a fine looking bull TT!!!

Tim