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Black Baldy?

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:16 pm
by RedFernFarm
We bred our registered Hereford heifer (Fern) to our registered Black Angus bull (Murray) so she would have an easier delivery with her first calf. I really wanted Fern to have a black baldy and was expecting a black calf with a white face. We didn't get what we expected, but baby Abigail is absolutely beautiful. I have searched the internet trying to find other cows/calves with the same colors but haven't found any that look like her. Can anyone tell me how we got these colors instead of just black with a white face? Is there a name for these particular colors/markings?
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Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:32 am
by jwimberly
Around here we call those motley face cows.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:34 am
by ALACOWMAN
We call it motley face... You'll get those with that cross also.. No big deal..just as good as a full whiteface just not the eye candy...

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:42 am
by ddd75
extremely rare color combo.. should be named SHOWSTOPPER

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:05 am
by Rafter S
That's a pretty common marking. You'll also get some blaze faced calves (black, with a wide white stripe down the center of the face) with that cross.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:37 am
by 3waycross
I'm no expert on genetics but I have to question whether or not an Angus bull could throw red on a calf like that. Maybe someone who knows genetics can explain it.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:12 am
by Brute 23
Yup, black mot. Thats not uncommon. We use to have a cow with a peace sign on her face. It was black, white, and tiger striped. It was pretty neat.

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This is the blaze face. If you put an Angus bull on F1 Hereford cattle you can get a lot of blaze faced cattle.

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Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:48 am
by RedFernFarm
I've been reading up on motley faced cattle but can't find anything to explain the red on her face (as a third color) other than the fact that her mother has a small amount of red on the corner of each eye. I am very happy she looks like this. I think she is beautiful. I'm glad she was born this way and not just the black and white. She will be more of a pet to me than anything. Her mother, Fern, is my favorite and I will probably keep all of her calves.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:55 am
by ClinchValley
3waycross wrote:I'm no expert on genetics but I have to question whether or not an Angus bull could throw red on a calf like that. Maybe someone who knows genetics can explain it.


Just an observation here.

My neighbor had a Hereford bull on black angus cows, year before last. The majority of calves were black hided. But had a fair amount of reds come from the cross.

Would it be the same with a black angus bull on hereford cows? As to my understanding, it would have to be a homozygous black bull to throw nothing but black hides?

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:18 am
by ALACOWMAN
Angus bull could be a red gene carrier,,that ain't uncommon either...

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:20 am
by 3waycross
ClinchValley wrote:
3waycross wrote:I'm no expert on genetics but I have to question whether or not an Angus bull could throw red on a calf like that. Maybe someone who knows genetics can explain it.


Just an observation here.

My neighbor had a Hereford bull on black angus cows, year before last. The majority of calves were black hided. But had a fair amount of reds come from the cross.

Would it be the same with a black angus bull on hereford cows? As to my understanding, it would have to be a homozygous black bull to throw nothing but black hides?



Registered "Black Angus" are generally considered to be HOMO BLACK. Your friends cowherd is another story. All black cows are NOT purebred Angus hence the reds coming out of them. An Angus bull on a herf based cowherd SHOULD always throw blacks.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:21 am
by 3waycross
ALACOWMAN wrote:Angus bull could be a red gene carrier,,that ain't uncommon either...



It actually is very uncommon....not saying it doesn't happen.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:24 am
by Ky hills
ClinchValley wrote:
3waycross wrote:I'm no expert on genetics but I have to question whether or not an Angus bull could throw red on a calf like that. Maybe someone who knows genetics can explain it.


Just an observation here.

My neighbor had a Hereford bull on black angus cows, year before last. The majority of calves were black hided. But had a fair amount of reds come from the cross.

Would it be the same with a black angus bull on hereford cows? As to my understanding, it would have to be a homozygous black bull to throw nothing but black hides?


I'm not an expert on genetics or anything else for that matter, but I would think that in the case of a Hereford bull with black cows, the cows may have either not been pure Angus, or some carried a red gene. I could be wrong but have always thought that true F1 calves from Angus/Hereford, either way were always black. I do know that if the F1 BWF is bred back to a Hereford bull there will be a lot of the calves RWF, and some BWF.

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:50 pm
by ALACOWMAN
3waycross wrote:
ALACOWMAN wrote:Angus bull could be a red gene carrier,,that ain't uncommon either...



It actually is very uncommon....not saying it doesn't happen.
it does happen ...

Re: Black Baldy?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:57 pm
by M.Magis
Regarding the calf pictured here, I can understand the motled face, and the possibility of being black or red, but I've never seen (or heard of) all three colors on one calf from that cross. Is it not as uncommon as I think?