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Fleckvieh

Postby trin » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:07 pm

Does anyone use fleckvieh Bulls or cows in there crossbreeding? Pros and cons?
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby Ky hills » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:10 pm

Not sure if the old red and white version of Simmentals is the same as the Fleckvieh or not. Used to be some folks thought those cows were good calf raisers, but the bulls had kind of a reputation of being hard calving. No first hand experience, but a friend used to use the bulls, and the vet stated at the time that he was glad when he started using Angus bulls.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:25 pm

A lot has changed in that aspect this day and age...with both simm.and chars..remember being at the vets back in the 90s... Registered simmi. breeder was there with a cow having trouble... Pulled the calf, it weighed 198 pds..Never seen one that big.. Don't expect to again.. Calf looked 2 mo. old.. Hit the ground looking for teats..
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby Ky hills » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:38 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:A lot has changed in that aspect this day and age...with both simm.and chars..remember being at the vets back in the 90s... Registered simmi. breeder was there with a cow having trouble... Pulled the calf, it weighed 198 pds..Never seen one that big.. Don't expect to again.. Calf looked 2 mo. old.. Hit the ground looking for teats..


I'm sure it has changed, I had Charolais in those days, under 100 lbs. was considered a small calf. We commonly had them from 105-120, had a couple that went 135. Some of those bigger calves were slow to get up and suck. The largest calf I have seen was a freak by way of Hydrops, Angus calf, the vet that did the C-section, said it was over 200 lbs.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby cattleman99 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:00 pm

Breed almost exclusively Fleckvieh, do use the odd Black Simmental and Shorthorn through AI but only a handful or less a year. I am slowly getting them all non-dilutor. Pros are maternal traits in the females, calving ease is easy to find nowadays, you can get polled if you want (I don't use polled unless they are calving ease) increased weaning and yearling weights and they are in strong demand.

Every year the demand is increasing for the bulls. Crossed with Angus or any other black breed they will leave a little Crome and produce the best baldy cows out there. The feed efficiency of the Fleckvieh is very strong.

Cons like any other breed there are good and bad ones. Some of the bulls from the 80s were hard calving and you have to watch you don't get too much milk which can lead to fertility issues. Certain bulls throw yellow and lots of white but that can be avoided nowadays.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby trin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:34 am

cattleman99 wrote:Breed almost exclusively Fleckvieh, do use the odd Black Simmental and Shorthorn through AI but only a handful or less a year. I am slowly getting them all non-dilutor. Pros are maternal traits in the females, calving ease is easy to find nowadays, you can get polled if you want (I don't use polled unless they are calving ease) increased weaning and yearling weights and they are in strong demand.

Every year the demand is increasing for the bulls. Crossed with Angus or any other black breed they will leave a little Crome and produce the best baldy cows out there. The feed efficiency of the Fleckvieh is very strong.

Cons like any other breed there are good and bad ones. Some of the bulls from the 80s were hard calving and you have to watch you don't get too much milk which can lead to fertility issues. Certain bulls throw yellow and lots of white but that can be avoided nowadays.

I really like the dark red and the yellow look. As far as Semen goes are there any bulls you would recommend? Would be ai them to some longhorn cross cows? Like to keep the heifers and the steers will be freezer beef so color is not a problem.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby cattleman99 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:35 am

I am from Canada and know nothin good about Longhorns. Canadian bulls I would recommend for heifers are an older polled bull DFM Marcus and a bull I am going to use next year after seeing some daughters this summer is Anchor D IMAX. I have found as a general rule you drop 15-20 lbs in birthweight from the same sire from The Canadians prairies to Texas. So a 100 lb avg here is 80-85 in Texas from the same bull. No idea how longhorns cross to recommend more than a heifer bull.

Not many yellow bulls left as most everyone is starting to breed for non diluters and the commercial angus breeders are demanding solid red bulls with google eyes/white face. A lot of these bulls are selling into commercial black herds to increase the productivity of the cowherd through the daughter's produced without losing the black hide.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby trin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:47 pm

Where do they sell Semen for these Bulls?
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby cattleman99 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:43 pm

Bouchard livestock has IMAX, check Semex USA and Bohrson Marketing. I am sure someone in the US sells Fleckvieh Semen as well. Lots of good Fleckvieh Bulls to choose from depending on your needs.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby ccr » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:13 pm

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This calf is cross between sim fleck and angus bull. Weighed 90 pounds about 1 hour after calving. BHR in Texas has fleck bull semen.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:17 pm

Sure don't look that heavy, but then it's a pic. Nice pair
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby Muddy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:01 pm

My late grandpa used to running Fleckvieh cows with a black bull. His cows are yellow and the calves are usually grey or black but with less chrome than their mommas. Big calves at birth but so are at weaning time. One thing I don't like about Fleckvieh cows is their huge size. Much bigger than the average Angus cows and eat like elephant.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby cattleman99 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:46 pm

You obviously haven't seen many Fleckvieh cows in the past 20 years or longer. 90 per cent of my herd is from 1200-1400 lbs. There are outliers in all breeds. The modern Fleckvieh is feed efficient and dark red and goggle eyed. Some are even solid red now. The calves still push the scales down in the fall though.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby Muddy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:30 pm

cattleman99 wrote:You obviously haven't seen many Fleckvieh cows in the past 20 years or longer. 90 per cent of my herd is from 1200-1400 lbs. There are outliers in all breeds. The modern Fleckvieh is feed efficient and dark red and goggle eyed. Some are even solid red now. The calves still push the scales down in the fall though.

I knew they improved Fleckvieh but there are more old traditional Fleckviehs here than improved "flecks". Spotted, giant and milky ones.
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Re: Fleckvieh

Postby cattleman99 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:48 pm

There are a lot of Fleckvieh bulls moving into the Dakotas from Canada. All going into commercial black herds. They have to be non dilutors. The cows you are talking about Muddy are endangered species.

There are a lot of dairy Fleckvieh cows in Wisconsin. They are being used on Holsteins. They are white and yellow and traditional looking. Basically a different breed. Must be what you are talking about. There is a dairy stain of Fleckvieh as well selected for different traits. Basically a different breed all together.
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