Large frame Polled Herefords

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Re: Large frame Polled Herefords

Postby elkwc » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:50 pm

Ch8 wrote:Yes, elkwc...I concur. I just like bigger frame cows. A cow that makes you look twice. In my opinion, a 6 frame cow with good hip and rib and udder, will be of more demand than a 4 or 5 frame with as good hip,rib and udder. I would also like to be able to use an array of bulls and not worry so much about that BW. A larger frame Cow can give me a little more versatility and assurance come calving time. Sure, they cost a little more to feed or maintain, but I believe in quality not quantity. But, TN,KY,NC...different market and grass and climate and all. I know this is not for everyone, but...there is a demand for larger Brood Hereford Cows.


Well stated. We've been selling some older cows over the last 3 years. Most have been 13-16 y/o, still sound and raising a calf every year and most have weighed from 1,500 to 1,600. We had one bunch that was just a little above 1,400. But hard to find an Angus or Hereford bull to maintain that frame size. Everyone has moderated them to much for me. The Harland Brothers lived about 40 miles from me. They were very good friends of my BIL. I used to drive by part of their cows on a regular basis. They were big, functional cows. Wish someone still raised them.
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Re: Large frame Polled Herefords

Postby SPH » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:44 pm

Aaron wrote:
If your not worried about udder quality and just want nice big deep barrel mama cows, many of the Butler bulls did just that. Nick the Butler P183, Domino 15G, BT Butler 452M.


I would not recommend Nick The Butler to anyone after he tested as a carrier of hypotrichosis. Granted you have to have a cow that is also HYC for it to show up but I'd sure want to avoid using any bulls that tested positive for a known defect as you could be passing them on through his progeny. It's one thing the AHA got right requiring DNA tests on any bulls that calves will be registered by. We DNA test all our sale bulls regardless where they sell to have transparency as well as peace of mind.

I agree with elkwc, give me a good 5+ or 6 frame cow with good depth of rib and length and a good udder and she'll get the job done. Nothing wrong with larger framed cattle but in some environments seems like they can sometimes be hard doers. Some in the Hereford breed got caught up in the frame race around the time Nick The Butler was popular and lost a lot of ground sacrificing some traits that made Herefords desirable.

Around here I think that Hereford breeders are in tune with what the commercial breeder wants in a bull as bulls sales have been very strong here over the past several years. The top selling breed at the Iowa Beef Expo this year was Hereford that averaged nearly $250 more than the Angus bulls did and that is even with the top Angus bull selling for nearly 2 times more than the top selling Hereford bull.
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Re: Large frame Polled Herefords

Postby elkwc » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:40 am

SPH wrote:
Aaron wrote:
If your not worried about udder quality and just want nice big deep barrel mama cows, many of the Butler bulls did just that. Nick the Butler P183, Domino 15G, BT Butler 452M.


I would not recommend Nick The Butler to anyone after he tested as a carrier of hypotrichosis. Granted you have to have a cow that is also HYC for it to show up but I'd sure want to avoid using any bulls that tested positive for a known defect as you could be passing them on through his progeny. It's one thing the AHA got right requiring DNA tests on any bulls that calves will be registered by. We DNA test all our sale bulls regardless where they sell to have transparency as well as peace of mind.

I agree with elkwc, give me a good 5+ or 6 frame cow with good depth of rib and length and a good udder and she'll get the job done. Nothing wrong with larger framed cattle but in some environments seems like they can sometimes be hard doers. Some in the Hereford breed got caught up in the frame race around the time Nick The Butler was popular and lost a lot of ground sacrificing some traits that made Herefords desirable.

Around here I think that Hereford breeders are in tune with what the commercial breeder wants in a bull as bulls sales have been very strong here over the past several years. The top selling breed at the Iowa Beef Expo this year was Hereford that averaged nearly $250 more than the Angus bulls did and that is even with the top Angus bull selling for nearly 2 times more than the top selling Hereford bull.


I agree I wouldn't want a carrier but have seen some very good cows that go back to Nick the Butler. If they are tested and not carriers I see no difference in using his influence than those with Titan in their background. Both were carriers of a defect. Again just my opinion.
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