Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

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Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:35 pm

Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Also, would you put that crossbred bull on purebred cows or crossbred cows?
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:27 pm

Bullitt wrote:Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Also, would you put that crossbred bull on purebred cows or crossbred cows?

If I were using a crossbred bull.. Id rather the cows be purebred...
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Muddy » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:10 pm

Ask cowgirl8, she is raising crossbred bulls on crossbred cows.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby lithuanian farmer » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:48 pm

Have used two crossbred bull on crossbred cows before. Have seen some other people using crossbred bulls on both crossbred and purebred cows. The most important thing is the breeds combination, I think. Results can be very good, but also it might not work at all. Our results were pretty good, especially, with one bull, but had a pretty big difference in calves, mostly because that cows had different breeds in them.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Bestoutwest » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:27 pm

Wouldn’t you be OK if you used a Hereford/Angus cross on Hereford/Angus cross cows?
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:35 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:Wouldn’t you be OK if you used a Hereford/Angus cross on Hereford/Angus cross cows?
You'd do ok with that cross. F2's... though they don't perform as well as the F1s..
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:45 pm

I saw a Brahman X Hereford bull. I was wondering if it would work well to cross that bull with maybe Limousin, Simmental, Salers, Gelbvieh, or some other continental breed or cow.

I also saw an Angus X Charolais bull. I was thinking it might work well to cross that bull with a Hereford cow.

Does a three-way cross work well with a crossbred bull?
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Ky hills » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:02 pm

Not saying I would or wouldn't but with some of the breeds regularly using 1/2 or more Angus like SimAngus, Balancer, LimFlex, I have wondered if anyone has ever used a BWF Angus/Hereford bull.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:22 pm

Bullitt wrote:I saw a Brahman X Hereford bull. I was wondering if it would work well to cross that bull with maybe Limousin, Simmental, Salers, Gelbvieh, or some other continental breed or cow.

I also saw an Angus X Charolais bull. I was thinking it might work well to cross that bull with a Hereford cow.

Does a three-way cross work well with a crossbred bull?


The calves would be asking each other "" who's your daddy? "" same as yours...you sure ? funny you don't look like me.. Your gonna run into a wall with to many crosses..once you get out of the 3 way rotation.. Your going backward.. Breeders take years of breeding for consistency.. It only happens by accident or beginners luck to knock a homer mixing and matching
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:20 pm

Ky hills wrote:Not saying I would or wouldn't but with some of the breeds regularly using 1/2 or more Angus like SimAngus, Balancer, LimFlex, I have wondered if anyone has ever used a BWF Angus/Hereford bull.


You would think an Angus X Hereford bull crossed with a continental breed of cow like a Limousin, Simmental, Charolais, etc. would be a good three-way cross.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:23 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Bullitt wrote:I saw a Brahman X Hereford bull. I was wondering if it would work well to cross that bull with maybe Limousin, Simmental, Salers, Gelbvieh, or some other continental breed or cow.

I also saw an Angus X Charolais bull. I was thinking it might work well to cross that bull with a Hereford cow.

Does a three-way cross work well with a crossbred bull?


The calves would be asking each other "" who's your daddy? "" same as yours...you sure ? funny you don't look like me.. Your gonna run into a wall with to many crosses..once you get out of the 3 way rotation.. Your going backward.. Breeders take years of breeding for consistency.. It only happens by accident or beginners luck to knock a homer mixing and matching



You would not get as much consistency with a Brahman X Hereford bull crossed with a continental breed of cow as you would with a Brahman X Hereford cow crossed with a continental breed of bull? Or any other three-way cross?
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:19 pm

Bullitt wrote:Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Good heterosis comes from pb x pb cross to produce F1s and F1s x 3rd breed pb.
Beyond that you get diminished heterosis.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Caustic Burno » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:05 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Bullitt wrote:Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Good heterosis comes from pb x pb cross to produce F1s and F1s x 3rd breed pb.
Beyond that you get diminished heterosis.



Your right 3 Way maximizes hybred vigor by as much as 20% weight increase in certain crosses.
At 4 Way you start regression.
Not all 2 Way crosses are equal, believe it was Fla. State research SHxAngus was the least and HerefordxBrahman the most.
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:24 pm

Bullitt wrote:Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?
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I have tried sim angus and limi flex over British cows. Improved feeders result, :cowboy: but you also get more variation.

You can sort the potential replacement heifers easily enough, but what kind of calves will you get consistently from the 1/4 blood cows?
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Re: Can You Get Good Heterosis from a Crossbred Bull?

Postby kansascowboy » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:13 pm

There is a large supply of good purebred bulls currently available, from a variety of breeds. Hence the market is saturated to the point where good bulls can be had at a reasonable price. What would be the benefit of selecting a crossbred bull that will most likely diminish the many benefits of heterosis?
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