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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby littletom » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:24 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:It may be sacrilege but the Kentucky CAIP program drives registered, calving ease, AI bred heifer sales this time of year.

I have had 3 parties here over the weekend. I didn't even advertise. Word of mouth.

Grit, it is what it is. All the Angus and Simmental breeders in Kentucky ride that bandwagon.


That's good for those that don't want to talk bad about the deadbeats, freeloaders and government watse. My family came here as emigrants, they asked the government for nothing besides a chance to work, and have been paying taxes ever since. I can't understand your way of life.

It is not one cent of government dollars nor any tax dollars. It is a deal the state made with 5 tobacco companies to stop suing over health problems from smoking. Big tobacco is paying for those heifers!
Crep or crap usually called here is a total waste of my tax dollars. There are farms here bought enrolled and payed for with this crap. It was good for the wild life. But what a waste of money imho.
I have got my share of caip money. That they say its to help wean us off growing tobacco still putting out a big crop this year. Welfare call it what you want. Big tobacco already pays me alot of money each year.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:21 am

littletom wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:It may be sacrilege but the Kentucky CAIP program drives registered, calving ease, AI bred heifer sales this time of year.

I have had 3 parties here over the weekend. I didn't even advertise. Word of mouth.

Grit, it is what it is. All the Angus and Simmental breeders in Kentucky ride that bandwagon.


That's good for those that don't want to talk bad about the deadbeats, freeloaders and government watse. My family came here as emigrants, they asked the government for nothing besides a chance to work, and have been paying taxes ever since. I can't understand your way of life.

It is not one cent of government dollars nor any tax dollars. It is a deal the state made with 5 tobacco companies to stop suing over health problems from smoking. Big tobacco is paying for those heifers!
Crep or crap usually called here is a total waste of my tax dollars. There are farms here bought enrolled and payed for with this crap. It was good for the wild life. But what a waste of money imho.
I have got my share of caip money. That they say its to help wean us off growing tobacco still putting out a big crop this year. Welfare call it what you want. Big tobacco already pays me alot of money each year.


How much government money has been spent on cancer R&D? Believe it or not, the government is "we the people" and we pay taxes to support our government. Big Tobacco money is a farce, and nothing more than kicking the ball down the road through politics. As long as you pay a taxes you can legally grow and sell tobacco that's lethal to the public.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 am

Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) is another program initiated by a Republican President and a Republican congress.
It originated in 1985, during the Reagan administration. Further evidence that both parties embrace the "welfare" culture that so many love to hate. It is the largest private-lands conservation program in the United States. Participation is voluntary. There is USDA evidence that it has improved water quality, reduced soil erosion, and increased habitat for endangered and threatened species. As Littletom stated, there are rich folks who never farmed a day in their life who have taken advantage of the program by buying farms, captivating marginal crop land and then enrolling. Despite the benefits cited by USDA, some environmental groups have advocated that the program does as much harm as it does good.


From USDA website:
Conservation Reserve Program (CRP)
is a land conservation program administered by the Farm Service Agency (FSA). In exchange for a yearly rental payment, farmers enrolled in the program agree to remove environmentally sensitive land from agricultural production and plant species that will improve environmental health and quality. Contracts for land enrolled in CRP are 10-15 years in length. The long-term goal of the program is to re-establish valuable land cover to help improve water quality, prevent soil erosion, and reduce loss of wildlife habitat
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:47 am

Bright Raven wrote:Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) is another program initiated by a Republican President and a Republican congress.
It originated in 1985, during the Reagan administration. Further evidence that both parties embrace the "welfare" culture that so many love to hate. It is the largest private-lands conservation program in the United States. Participation is voluntary. There is USDA evidence that it has improved water quality, reduced soil erosion, and increased habitat for endangered and threatened species. As Littletom stated, there are rich folks who never farmed a day in their life who have taken advantage of the program by buying farms, captivating marginal crop land and then enrolling. Despite the benefits cited by USDA, some environmental groups have advocated that the program does as much harm as it does good.


From USDA website:
Conservation Reserve Program (CRP)
is a land conservation program administered by the Farm Service Agency (FSA). In exchange for a yearly rental payment, farmers enrolled in the program agree to remove environmentally sensitive land from agricultural production and plant species that will improve environmental health and quality. Contracts for land enrolled in CRP are 10-15 years in length. The long-term goal of the program is to re-establish valuable land cover to help improve water quality, prevent soil erosion, and reduce loss of wildlife habitat


How much does it pay? Where do I sign up? And how soon can I start receiving checks?

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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:53 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
How much does it pay? Where do I sign up? And how soon can I start receiving checks?

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CRP Sign-Up Info
Read here for updates on the sign-up.


https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-s ... gram/index
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:56 am

Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
How much does it pay? Where do I sign up? And how soon can I start receiving checks?

Make TT Great Again!


CRP Sign-Up Info
Read here for updates on the sign-up.


https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-s ... gram/index


Thank you. I should be back on easy street in short order.

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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:00 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
How much does it pay? Where do I sign up? And how soon can I start receiving checks?

Make TT Great Again!


CRP Sign-Up Info
Read here for updates on the sign-up.


https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-s ... gram/index


Thank you. I should be back on easy street in short order.

MTTGA


Make TT Great Again!

That might catch on. I am glad we are friends, maybe I can catch some of the crumbs you drop.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:35 am

Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
CRP Sign-Up Info
Read here for updates on the sign-up.


https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-s ... gram/index


Thank you. I should be back on easy street in short order.

MTTGA


Make TT Great Again!

That might catch on. I am glad we are friends, maybe I can catch some of the crumbs you drop.


His siver spoon doesn't miss much Raven.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:52 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Thank you. I should be back on easy street in short order.

MTTGA


Make TT Great Again!

That might catch on. I am glad we are friends, maybe I can catch some of the crumbs you drop.


His siver spoon doesn't miss much Raven.


Envy doesn't suit you Grit.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:27 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Make TT Great Again!

That might catch on. I am glad we are friends, maybe I can catch some of the crumbs you drop.


His siver spoon doesn't miss much Raven.


Envy doesn't suit you Grit.


I'm just trying to help TT, I'd hate to see the Raven crawling around looking for freebies in all the wrong places.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Bigfoot » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:10 pm

I was under the impression that crp was going away. As land comes out, it can't get back in. True or false?
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Davemk » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:29 pm

Very much false. Try competing with CRP. It is pointless.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby sim.-ang.king » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:30 pm

Bigfoot wrote:I was under the impression that crp was going away. As land comes out, it can't get back in. True or false?

Select land can go back in, but a lot can't, or would have to go under a different program. Like the wonderful tree program where you let it grow up in russian olives, and maple saplings.

All that matters is the $$$$$.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby littletom » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:16 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
littletom wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
That's good for those that don't want to talk bad about the deadbeats, freeloaders and government watse. My family came here as emigrants, they asked the government for nothing besides a chance to work, and have been paying taxes ever since. I can't understand your way of life.

It is not one cent of government dollars nor any tax dollars. It is a deal the state made with 5 tobacco companies to stop suing over health problems from smoking. Big tobacco is paying for those heifers!
Crep or crap usually called here is a total waste of my tax dollars. There are farms here bought enrolled and payed for with this crap. It was good for the wild life. But what a waste of money imho.
I have got my share of caip money. That they say its to help wean us off growing tobacco still putting out a big crop this year. Welfare call it what you want. Big tobacco already pays me alot of money each year.


How much government money has been spent on cancer R&D? Believe it or not, the government is "we the people" and we pay taxes to support our government. Big Tobacco money is a farce, and nothing more than kicking the ball down the road through politics. As long as you pay a taxes you can lyeegally grow and sell tobacco that's lethal to the public.

I'm not getting in a be nice match over tobacco. Yes it is lethal so are alot of other things. Tobacco money has built a lot of ky payed off many farms. And sent many kids to college for a way to different lives. Has always been on edge of right and wrong in manys eyes from a farming standpoint. Growing up where i have it would of been foolish of me to not consider it for career.
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Re: CAIP Bred Heifers

Postby Gators Rule » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:42 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Gators Rule wrote:I'm not a big fan of any government assistance, but in some cases I don't see CRP entirely as a gov't handout. The gov't wants farmers to keep that land in reserve, but doesn't want it kept in crop production. It definitely helps the wildlife, and as a hunter, I'm all for that. If the land isn't in crop production, the farmer would just unload it for another use, such as residential development. Then if we need to bring that land back into use (drought, war, etc..), it's too late.



They could just let the farmer sit on it tax free, if they wouldn't farm it. Be a lot cheaper than paying cash rent price for scrub brush.


True, but since the land is probably already greenbelted, the farmer isn’t paying much in taxes anyway. My definition of a welfare tax break is when the Govt gives something for nothing. CRP in my example doesn’t do that. Farmers are paid for keeping the land in reserve, and thusly as wildlife fringe habitat. JMO
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