Calving Season

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Re: Calving Season

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:32 am

Sorry, but your Tony bull puts the others to shame. Your 2 AI sired bulls would be steers, in my eye. They do not show the depth of flank, length of hip, thickness of hind leg, cleanliness up front. To me they don't offer anything I would be looking for. The 805 may be tall, but looks like a poor heifer to me. Sorry, not meaning to offend! But, be critical - look at the pictures. compare the two AI bulls to the rest of your pictures. They can't even beat your heifers. Maybe, they are horrible pictures.
But, your Tony calves - unbelievably awesome!!!
That brings me to the subject of sales. I would think, that with the poor market available to you for AI bulls in USA, you should have a national demand for your bull calves. Do you sell in any special sales, or strictly private sales, or both?
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Re: Calving Season

Postby Backbone Ranch » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:38 pm

Jeanne- I 100% appreciate your honest feedback on these calves, and I am not offended by any of your comments. We absolutely love our Tony calves, and as a result, we have and will continue to retain many of his daughters. We also have a really good yearling Tony son coming on, but I believe that this year's Tony sons will surpass him when it comes to quality. We have yet to find a bull, on the hoof or in the semen tank, that rivals Tony when it comes to consistent quality of the calves. In addition, out of the 250+ head of cattle that we have tested with Igenity for tenderness and marbling genes, nothing has had a higher combined tenderness and marbling score than Tony. We have been experimenting more with AI as we get more Tony progeny on the ground because we don't want to breed back Tony to all of his daughters. We have gotten some really nice heifers by these AI matings, but the bulls are more hit-and-miss. Many of our current AI calves are "firsts" for us out of certain sires, so we are still in the experimental phase of figuring out which bulls match well with certain types of cows. In a perfect world, we would like to have three different sire lines going at a time, with one of them being Tony. That way, we could systematically breed certain lines together, and still avoid inbreeding depression. We collected Tony three years ago, so we will have his progeny for many years to come. So far, his semen has been used in herds in Mexico, as well as numerous herds in the US.

We sell all of our cattle private treaty, but I would really like to get an annual production sale going once we get large enough. There is a breeder in Indiana that organized a sale of 15 two year old Murray Grey bulls, with the bulls coming from 4 or 5 producers. He averaged over $7,000 a head, with the top bull selling for over $15,000.
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Re: Calving Season

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:39 pm

Well, to my eye, your cattle out of Tony should top anyone's sale. You really have something in that bull and his potential sons. What you need is a bull as good as him - not related. That is an uphill battle. I loved your breed way back when --- the problem then and obviously now - the gene pool is too small. Hopefully, with your imported semen, you will be able to get a click to replace/compliment your Tony line. these two pictured do not look like they are going to fit the bill.
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