Thoughts on Chi Angus?

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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby elkwc » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:29 pm

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Allenw wrote:He would have been unloaded at the sale barn if it was me, Life is to short to put up with that kind of stuff.


What I can't figure is why someone from Kansas would get a bull from Virginia to start with.


You know the further you travel to buy a bull and the more you give the better he is. The pedigree can be the same. The distance, cost and prefix before the name determines how good they are. I see it every spring. They drive by many breeders with the same bloodlines headed a thousand or more miles north and west to buy bulls that IMO were no better than what they drove past.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby elkwc » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:39 pm

Allenw wrote:He would have been unloaded at the sale barn if it was me, Life is to short to put up with that kind of stuff.


Allen I agree. But I see those at most sales I go to by popular AI sired who paw the ground and charge the ring man and someone always buy them. I don’t need it. The yearling we have I loaded in a 320 acre pasture with no pens last Sunday and hauled to another pasture. And that is what they need to be or I don’t want them. Lost a good prospect to Lightning last night so might be looking for one this fall.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby ClinchValley » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:43 am

elkwc wrote:Lost a good prospect to Lightning last night so might be looking for one this fall.



Thats terrible. Our waterers are at the tops of hills. Makes me a little anxious every time a bad storm comes through. Hope it doesn't happen to you again.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:51 am

"What I can't figure is why someone from Kansas would get a bull from Virginia to start with."

I believe this bull came through a local salebarn and neighbor bought him for very little. That's the only way he buys. He works in the oil patch and cattle are a second income. He buys cheap, dumps 'em out. What stays in, breeds back-he keeps. Too many cows on too few acres. Feeds nothing but ditch hay in the winter. Probably makes a profit at it! But I gotta say, his herd is pretty scary.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Allenw » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:59 pm

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Allenw wrote:He would have been unloaded at the sale barn if it was me, Life is to short to put up with that kind of stuff.


Allen I agree. But I see those at most sales I go to by popular AI sired who paw the ground and charge the ring man and someone always buy them. I don’t need it. The yearling we have I loaded in a 320 acre pasture with no pens last Sunday and hauled to another pasture. And that is what they need to be or I don’t want them. Lost a good prospect to Lightning last night so might be looking for one this fall.


I hate to hear you lost a good calf to lightning. We had a lot of wind Friday night, grandson lost a lot of skirting and flipped the stock trailer he has there.

I've seen the dirt pawing bulls go through the ring at the bull sales some leave you concerned if your too close to the ring. You go to a sale that they are all on video you don't know how they will be under pressure.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby WalnutCrest » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:21 am

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Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:I didn't bring that up, because my experience was back in the 70's or 80's. They would stand flat footed at the fence & hop it like a deer. For a while, we were buying every open Brown Swiss we could locate in the mid west. Breed them to Chi and had a guaranteed sale for everyone we could get confirmed pregnant. The offspring came out looking exactly like a fullblood Chi. Black nose, black hide, white hair. It was a lucrative business for a while. We also bought & sold some Chi's. Never bred any for ourselves.


I can see them being good at fence jumping, the full bloods I used to see could almost step over. I have heard some neighbors talk about getting into the business of the Brown Swiss Chi deal, from what I understand they may have done okay with it for a while till that market lost demand then they were stuck with some and had to take what little they got.

I don't know but can't imagine the current Angus adding much improvement in the way of disposition if there is already a disposition problem.

I wouldn't be concerned with their disposition as much as I would their efficiency, they can get pretty big..and require many groceries...


If this is a comment about sim Angus, I agree ... lots and lots of groceries.

If it's about chi Angus, I have no experience ... ...but can see how it'd be even worse than sim Angus.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Gators Rule » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:11 pm

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If this is a comment about sim Angus, I agree ... lots and lots of groceries.

If it's about chi Angus, I have no experience ... ...but can see how it'd be even worse than sim Angus.



WalnutCrest, do you have direct experience with Sim Angus? I'm not referring to a 9' tall Simmy behemoth from 1975 bred to a 1975 angus?
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:44 pm

SimAngus is a moderate, easy keeping cross IMHO.
I just had the state Beef Specialist out here last night from Cornell. His jaw dropped. He said "the Simmental breed has really changed". He was extremely impressed. Of course, I started off showing him the show string. But, we jumped on quads & went out & walked through the herd. When we got back to the house, he said how impressed he was with the muscling & easy keeping type cows I had.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby WalnutCrest » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:49 pm

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If this is a comment about sim Angus, I agree ... lots and lots of groceries.

If it's about chi Angus, I have no experience ... ...but can see how it'd be even worse than sim Angus.



WalnutCrest, do you have direct experience with Sim Angus? I'm not referring to a 9' tall Simmy behemoth from 1975 bred to a 1975 angus?


Yes. I bought a pot of bred commercial Angus and sim Angus cows in Feb 2016. Per animal unit, these cows ate 30% more than my Aubracs.

I know not all cattle within a breed are the same ... but speaking from my experience only, they ate substantially more than I'd budgeted and I'll avoid them in the future for just that reason.

They had good temperaments (as a group) and were reasonable (or better) mothers ... but they ate and ate and ate.

And ... I spent nearly 5x per head per year on vet bills on those cows than I spent per head on my Aubracs.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby WalnutCrest » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:54 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:SimAngus is a moderate, easy keeping cross IMHO.
I just had the state Beef Specialist out here last night from Cornell. His jaw dropped. He said "the Simmental breed has really changed". He was extremely impressed. Of course, I started off showing him the show string. But, we jumped on quads & went out & walked through the herd. When we got back to the house, he said how impressed he was with the muscling & easy keeping type cows I had.


As I said above ... I know the is a bell curve in all traits in each breed. I'm glad you've got easy keepers. :)
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Muddy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:20 pm

WalnutCrest wrote:
Gators Rule wrote:
WalnutCrest wrote:
If this is a comment about sim Angus, I agree ... lots and lots of groceries.

If it's about chi Angus, I have no experience ... ...but can see how it'd be even worse than sim Angus.



WalnutCrest, do you have direct experience with Sim Angus? I'm not referring to a 9' tall Simmy behemoth from 1975 bred to a 1975 angus?


Yes. I bought a pot of bred commercial Angus and sim Angus cows in Feb 2016. Per animal unit, these cows ate 30% more than my Aubracs.

I know not all cattle within a breed are the same ... but speaking from my experience only, they ate substantially more than I'd budgeted and I'll avoid them in the future for just that reason.

They had good temperaments (as a group) and were reasonable (or better) mothers ... but they ate and ate and ate.

And ... I spent nearly 5x per head per year on vet bills on those cows than I spent per head on my Aubracs.

If I remembered correctly, you brought the cull cows with a long list of problems...and the breed has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby HDRider » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:22 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Allenw wrote:He would have been unloaded at the sale barn if it was me, Life is to short to put up with that kind of stuff.


What I can't figure is why someone from Kansas would get a bull from Virginia to start with.

Sounds like that bull was pretty be nice off about it.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:51 pm

Are you talking same size cattle? Your experience "might" be an oddity, because that cross is becoming a very popular cow and feedlot animal.
Muddy - thanks for remembering that info.
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Re: Thoughts on Chi Angus?

Postby WalnutCrest » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:56 am

Muddy - If your definition of cull is "someone else sold it, therefore it's a cull" then yes, they were culls because they were born somewhere other than my farm. The comment I made about vet bills only distracted from the conversation about efficiency ... my point is the group I had ate way more than my other (similarly sized) cattle.

Jeanne - Average sizes were pretty spot on ... bred cows weighing 1250 ish lbs. I'm glad they are working for you. I know they work for many others, too. These didn't work for me in my environment under my management; my biggest surprise was in their feed needs.
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