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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:52 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
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Less better product then.
Do you mean to say any steak a little better than her Simmentals is an inferior product?
IF so, perhaps you too owe Jeanne the same heartfelt apology you demanded of Muddy.
Lord no, I thought we were talking about Wagyu?


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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by cow pollinater » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm

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I’m not following you. Who has an inferior product? I raise Angus.
That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant things I've read on here in a long time. Sorry TT, but you're wrong. I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by cow pollinater » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:38 pm

The key to Waygu is to have it marketed ahead of time. I've had a few neighbors in California bring in Waygu bulls from Idaho to breed english based heifers and do really well with it but the calves were on contract before they were even born. I have yet to see anyone that didn't do it that way not regret it including a few registered breeders but I'm not saying it can't be done.
Something else to consider: The cows can be pretty quiet, but some of the crossbred calves are nuts. One of the worst stompings I've ever seen was from a four weight angus/waygu F1 that about killed the guy. Both parents were quiet, easy to handle cattle. They're fun to rope but some of them are not for the weekend cowboy.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:33 am

cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:23 pm
I’m not following you. Who has an inferior product? I raise Angus.
That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant things I've read on here in a long time. Sorry TT, but you're wrong. I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.
Start naming them. Provide your source.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Mod2 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:40 am

cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:25 pm
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ST(edited)U, for real.
Follow your own advice... for real. I don't care what you think you know, that's not how you speak to a lady. Grow up.

These vulgar acronyms are not acceptable.


Jeanne my apologies for not catching this sooner. This behavior towards a lady will not be tolerated ever.
I don’t read ever post had I not been alerted I wouldn’t have seen the infraction.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:39 am

Jeanne handled it like a lady, sometimes it's just better to ignore someone.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by cow pollinater » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:33 am
cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:23 pm
I’m not following you. Who has an inferior product? I raise Angus.
That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant things I've read on here in a long time. Sorry TT, but you're wrong. I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.
Start naming them. Provide your source.
I adjusted across breed EPD's to an Angus base from the Angus association website and did a quick search on the abs websight. I left off red angus as that was just to obvious and about half the lineup would be listed. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.
In the herefords, Selection, Domino 3027 and both of his sons should perform slightly better than an average angus on the grid.
in Simi bulls, I only looked at higher percentage bulls so that we're not comparing angus influence to angus. Ajax and Beacon marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
In Char bulls, Benaiah, Lead Time, and White gold all marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
Again, this was a quick search in one catalog. I'm sure I can find more bulls in that same catalog. I can also dig into shorthorns, gelbviehs, etc if needed. It's pretty easy to find.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:01 am

cow pollinater wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:33 am
cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm

That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant things I've read on here in a long time. Sorry TT, but you're wrong. I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.
Start naming them. Provide your source.
I adjusted across breed EPD's to an Angus base from the Angus association website and did a quick search on the abs websight. I left off red angus as that was just to obvious and about half the lineup would be listed. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.
In the herefords, Selection, Domino 3027 and both of his sons should perform slightly better than an average angus on the grid.
in Simi bulls, I only looked at higher percentage bulls so that we're not comparing angus influence to angus. Ajax and Beacon marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
In Char bulls, Benaiah, Lead Time, and White gold all marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
Again, this was a quick search in one catalog. I'm sure I can find more bulls in that same catalog. I can also dig into shorthorns, gelbviehs, etc if needed. It's pretty easy to find.
Thanks, I'll do that. Hard to believe these other breeds don't have more of a following isn't it?
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by cow pollinater » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:14 am

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Thanks, I'll do that. Hard to believe these other breeds don't have more of a following isn't it?
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I'm surrounded by cattle on three sides. I can't see a cow from here that is more than half angus based on visual appraisal. In twenty years of selling semen I would guess that around thirty percent of my beef semen sales were angus bulls. With the exception of one commercial customer every one of my customers used more than one breed. I can't speak as to why it's hard to believe because based on my experience other breeds do have quite a following.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:51 am

Right now we're 80% BA, 5% Red Angus, 10% Hereford and 4-5% black baldies. I'm running 2 BA bulls, 1 RA bull, and one red Limo bull. I enjoy variety but know where my bread is buttered.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Stickney94 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:48 am

For father's day I went to the freezer and grabbed an F1 Wagyu t-bone steak. I got to cook steak and the wife and kids did chores.

When they returned from feeding the cattle they each walked into the house separately and said "It smells GOOD in here. Is that Wagyu steak?"

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The best/worst part was my 9-year old son saying, "Yeah! Steak! I need to get the ketchup." Wagyu steak slathered in Heinz.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by 76 Bar » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:30 am

cow pollinater wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:33 am
cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm

That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant things I've read on here in a long time. Sorry TT, but you're wrong. I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.
Start naming them. Provide your source.
I adjusted across breed EPD's to an Angus base from the Angus association website and did a quick search on the abs websight. I left off red angus as that was just to obvious and about half the lineup would be listed. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.
In the herefords, Selection, Domino 3027 and both of his sons should perform slightly better than an average angus on the grid.
in Simi bulls, I only looked at higher percentage bulls so that we're not comparing angus influence to angus. Ajax and Beacon marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
In Char bulls, Benaiah, Lead Time, and White gold all marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
Again, this was a quick search in one catalog. I'm sure I can find more bulls in that same catalog. I can also dig into shorthorns, gelbviehs, etc if needed. It's pretty easy to find.
I appreciate your insight and effort. Thank you

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:45 am

76 Bar wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:30 am
cow pollinater wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:33 am


Start naming them. Provide your source.
I adjusted across breed EPD's to an Angus base from the Angus association website and did a quick search on the abs websight. I left off red angus as that was just to obvious and about half the lineup would be listed. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.
In the herefords, Selection, Domino 3027 and both of his sons should perform slightly better than an average angus on the grid.
in Simi bulls, I only looked at higher percentage bulls so that we're not comparing angus influence to angus. Ajax and Beacon marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
In Char bulls, Benaiah, Lead Time, and White gold all marble better than an average angus and yield significantly better.
Again, this was a quick search in one catalog. I'm sure I can find more bulls in that same catalog. I can also dig into shorthorns, gelbviehs, etc if needed. It's pretty easy to find.
I appreciate your insight and effort. Thank you
Well I think it's all numbers and bs opinions. From all the independent Georgia beef challenges for carcass grades Angus wins everytime. And in taste testing Angus has always been at or near the top.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by sstterry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:59 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:45 am

Well I think it's all numbers and bs opinions. From all the independent Georgia beef challenges for carcass grades Angus wins everytime. And in taste testing Angus has always been at or near the top.
http://steakperfection.blogspot.com/201 ... -best.html
Is this the reference you meant? Not sure it proves Angus are better.
There are no scientifically valid studies that rank the taste of high-quality steak from Simmental, Angus or other breeds. Much more research is required on the relationship between taste scores and cattle breeds.

However, a few studies by some researchers tends to show that abundantly marbled steak from the following eight beef cattle breeds would rank for taste in the following order:
Brahman
Gelbvieh
Limousin
Charolais
Hereford
Simmental
Angus
Red Angus

Until further research is conducted, the accuracy of this and other rankings cannot be verified.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by gaurus » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:06 pm

cow pollinater wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm
I can show you bulls from just about any breed that have carcass traits that will meet or beat an average angus on the grid. There ARE really great angus bulls out there but to imply that your product is superior based on a breed choice is not correct.
Well yeah when comparing top 10% of other british breeds(top 1% of continental and 0.001% to Zebu) I am sure you can beat an "Average Angus", but when comparing the best with best, you just can't beat an Angus.

Crossbreeding is an entirely different thing.
Wagyu & Charolais = Gyulais

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