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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:05 am
by NonTypicalCPA
Here's a couple more pics

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This is his sire

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:19 pm
by gizmom
The first time I say a waygu we were at a Junior Angus National show and a group of us went to an AI stud. Jacob was 15 or 16 at the time so over 20 years ago. They had two that looked just like your new bull other than both had horns. The breed is ugly but that doesn’t negate the fact that they offer tremendous beef quality. When we were selling freezer beef I ordered half a cane of Waygu Semen and didn’t get one cow to settle ( the balance of the AI group that year was 80%). I decided that was my first and last attempt at Waygu. If your selling freezer beef the Waygu will sure be a plus. I have a friend that raises Waygu the red ones are better looking than the black, she has purchased heifers from us to cross with her bulls the calves look pretty good. I want to see pictures of how the cross of Waygu and Belties look.

Gizmom

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:32 pm
by Lazy M
He looks depressed..

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:02 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Lazy M wrote:He looks depressed..
its that time of year.might have to be put on suicide watch.. :cowboy:

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:06 am
by Cdcollett
Has he been semen tested? The sheath strings would usually be removed for that & the breeding soundness exam. I can’t sell bulls without a semen test. If he was tested what was his scrotal?

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:40 am
by jd720
Lazy M wrote:He looks depressed..


I believe I`d be depressed if I had anything on the farm that looked like that. There may be some good to him but I`m sorry he looks like a Craigslist special to me I`ll pass on the Wagyu.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:45 am
by ALACOWMAN
jd720 wrote:
Lazy M wrote:He looks depressed..


I believe I`d be depressed if I had anything on the farm that looked like that. There may be some good to him but I`m sorry he looks like a Craigslist special to me I`ll pass on the Wagyu.

This is where the old saying fits, it's whats on the inside that counts...

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:52 am
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with jd. I have kept my mouth shut, but --- I would be hard pressed to board an animal that looked like that, let alone own one. Do your Belties not grade well?? You are taking a really nice looking animal (Beltie) and breeding it to "that"???
I really do not understand this "thing" about needing more marbling.
As most of you know, I raise PB Simmental cattle.
Anyway, I have been feeding out some freezer trade fall born steers. We harvested 3 on Oct 5 - all Sept & Oct born (so about 12-12.5 months old). They were 720#, 728#, & 786#. They are loaded with marbling. They are super tender. Sold halves for $3.25/lb, they pay cut/wrap/kill and are booked for next year. If you can produce a great eating experience, why would you resort to Wagyu? Aren't you going to sacrifice a lot of final weight on everything?
Or, do you think being able to say it is 1/2 Wagyu, people are going to be willing to pay enough extra big bucks to offset the poor muscling? I am just lost at the concept of wanting to get into them. I must really be missing something. I'm not toooo old to learn new tricks - so please educate me.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 am
by Lazy M
jd720 wrote:
Lazy M wrote:He looks depressed..


I believe I`d be depressed if I had anything on the farm that looked like that. There may be some good to him but I`m sorry he looks like a Craigslist special to me I`ll pass on the Wagyu.

I agree but he probably is a fine specimen as far as wagyu goes. I'm starting to really wonder if poor phenotype correlates to good meat quality.. it seems that the Angus bulls with really high $B look more and more like wagyu type cattle..

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:00 am
by Lazy M
Lazy M wrote:
jd720 wrote:
Lazy M wrote:He looks depressed..


I believe I`d be depressed if I had anything on the farm that looked like that. There may be some good to him but I`m sorry he looks like a Craigslist special to me I`ll pass on the Wagyu.

I agree but he probably is a fine specimen as far as wagyu goes. I'm starting to really wonder if poor phenotype correlates to good meat quality.. it seems that the Angus bulls with really high $B look more and more like wagyu type cattle..

Maybe Bright Raven or someone can weigh in on this with a science-based explanation (?)

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:11 am
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:12 am
by slick4591
I feel your pain, NonTypicalCPA. Not many like my breed either, but the bottom line is how many dollars they'll bring in. Hope yours does well.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:37 am
by jd720
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.



I couldn`t agree more it seems the better the numbers are the worse they look. It`s a good way to end up with a bunch of very fine boned chicken legged cattle with nothing in the rear end. I probably go extreme over the looks of my cows but I have to look at them everyday and it`s much more enjoyable if I like what I`m seeing in the pasture.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:55 am
by NonTypicalCPA
No hard feelings - I have thick skin. If everyone did and liked the same thing, life would be pretty boring. When I'm taking a bite of a nice steak I don't stop and remember his big arse or coat color, polled or not, long/short. When you've got a local restaurant paying $9,000 for a 28 month old fullblood, that get's my attention. Now mine wont be fullbloods, yet. If this experiment goes well then I may switch over, time will tell. I'm not trying to make a living, just having fun. Plus this ugly thing of a bull is pretty easy to be around, while my beautifully thick, long and handsome Beltie bull was a pain in my arse.

He did have a BSE that was good. I'll see if I can put my hands on it and let you know the scrotal size.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:10 pm
by jehosofat
One of my friends had two Wyagu steaks shipped to me from Japan, they were 300 dollars. They were good, but not 300 dollar good. I've had filets from beef I raised that was close.