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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 am
by Son of Butch
It's my understanding USDA labeling requirement for retail sales is a minimum 43.75% or 7/16 wagyu
to label beef as Wagyu (influenced) to consumers.

My Wagyu experiment is slowly continuing. I've got a few 1/2 and 3/4 wagyu, but so far I only have
1 steer, 1st calf heifer and 1 heifer calf that have reached 7/8 wagyu.
A.I.d only 4 to wagyu last year 3 settled but the 7/8 wagyu heifer repeated and bred by Angus bull.
Her heifer calf is my first 7/16 wagyu.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:03 am
by Son of Butch
Stocker Steve wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:41 pm
Lots of threads in here on how great Jersey beef is. Not my favorite, but if you are after tender with lots and lots of marbling wouldn't Jersey be cheaper than buying into Wagyu?
Yes, but I think Jersey crosses better with Limo and Holstein crossed with Wagyu gives that shot
of frame that a Jersey x Wagyu cross lacks. Which is why Japanese run feedlots prefer Holstein f1s
over Jersey f1s. Both carcasses will grade similar, but Holstein influenced yields more retail pounds.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:16 am
by NonTypicalCPA
Son of Butch wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 am
It's my understanding USDA labeling requirement for retail sales is a minimum 43.75% or 7/16 wagyu
to label beef as Wagyu (influenced) to consumers.

My Wagyu experiment is slowly continuing. I've got a few 1/2 and 3/4 wagyu, but so far I only have
1 steer, 1st calf heifer and 1 heifer calf that have reached 7/8 wagyu.
A.I.d only 4 to wagyu last year 3 settled but the 7/8 wagyu heifer repeated and bred by Angus bull.
Her heifer calf is my first 7/16 wagyu.

Got any pictures of those 7/8 calves? Those destined for the freezer?

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:23 am
by Stocker Steve
[quote="Son of Butch" I think Jersey crosses better with Limo and Holstein crossed with Wagyu gives that shot
of frame that a Jersey x Wagyu cross lacks. Which is why Japanese run feedlots prefer Holstein f1s
over Jersey f1s. Both carcasses will grade similar, but Holstein influenced yields more retail pounds. [/quote]

So a low cost Wagyu man should consider be buying black and white cull cows ?

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:00 am
by Dave
Stocker Steve wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:23 am
[quote="Son of Butch" I think Jersey crosses better with Limo and Holstein crossed with Wagyu gives that shot
of frame that a Jersey x Wagyu cross lacks. Which is why Japanese run feedlots prefer Holstein f1s
over Jersey f1s. Both carcasses will grade similar, but Holstein influenced yields more retail pounds.
So a low cost Wagyu man should consider be buying black and white cull cows ?
[/quote]

I don't know that there is such a thing as "low cost Wagyu". Neighbor B has 150 Wagyu pairs. His comment is "they will work out one of these days." I know when we worked a bunch of the calves we joked that it was hard to tell the difference between a new born and a 3 month old calf. They simply don't work on rangeland here. They spend the summer on flat irrigated pasture and the commercial cows wean bigger calves climbing the hills searching for sparse grass. I think you would need a real big premium on the price to make them work.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:22 am
by u4411clb
Group of breeders in North Alabama got together and put on presentation I attended and they sell allot directly to grocery stores and I gotta say the profit margins they were describing were really nice even factoring in the added time and feed.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:37 am
by Son of Butch
Stocker Steve wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:23 am
So a low cost Wagyu man should consider be buying black and white cull cows ?
Maybe buy some Wagyu semen and work an arrangement with a local dairyman you trust to have
him breed some of his holstein heifers to Wagyu and buy the calves.

I'm trying to select Waygu sires tested AA rather than VV or AV to use, not sure how much difference
there is between them, but some literature suggests AA gene gives the highest quality fat with the
lowest melting point.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:47 am
by ALACOWMAN
NonTypicalCPA wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:25 pm
Updating this thread with a few new pics of our bull. He’s doing well and has been a good boy to work with.

Image

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well he's slick".......and slick :D

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:11 am
by Stocker Steve
Dave They simply don't work on rangeland here. They spend the summer on flat irrigated pasture and the commercial cows wean bigger calves climbing the hills searching for sparse grass. I think you would need a real big premium on the price to make them work. [/quote wrote:
One of my concerns is how much additional labor it can take for premium priced products. Any estimate on labor hours per cow for summering on rangeland vs. irrigated pasture?

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:27 pm
by Dave
I am told that they simply won't work on the rangeland. They get unloaded in a meadow and they stay there or right by the water hole. There is grass 40 feet into the trees but they aren't going to go there no matter how hungry they get. I have helped work them a couple times. That is my only experience with them. They're not the smartest creatures I have ever been around. Crossing them with a Holstein wouldn't hurt. The purebreds I have been around it is hard to tell a dry cow from a fresh one. The milk EPD is in negative numbers.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:36 am
by Son of Butch
NonTypicalCPA wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:16 am
Son of Butch wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 am
My Wagyu experiment is slowly continuing. I've got a few 1/2 and 3/4 wagyu, but so far I only have
1 steer, 1st calf heifer and 1 heifer calf that have reached 7/8 wagyu.
Got any pictures of those 7/8 calves? Those destined for the freezer?
I'm too old.
While I enjoy everyone's pictures, I do not have any of mine and wouldn't know how to load them
if I did. Somewhere in my computer are carcass pictures taken by our butcher of the 1st 1/2 wagyu
steer we butchered, but I'm not even sure how to access them.

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:41 am
by Son of Butch
NonTypicalCPA wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:25 pm
Updating this thread with a few new pics of our bull.
He’s doing well and has been a good boy to work with.
Image

Image
Easy to spot his problem right off the bat.... he's got too good of a home. :)

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:08 am
by wbvs58
Son of Butch wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:36 am
NonTypicalCPA wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:16 am
Son of Butch wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 am
My Wagyu experiment is slowly continuing. I've got a few 1/2 and 3/4 wagyu, but so far I only have
1 steer, 1st calf heifer and 1 heifer calf that have reached 7/8 wagyu.
Got any pictures of those 7/8 calves? Those destined for the freezer?
I'm too old.
While I enjoy everyone's pictures, I do not have any of mine and wouldn't know how to load them
if I did. Somewhere in my computer are carcass pictures taken by our butcher of the 1st 1/2 wagyu
steer we butchered, but I'm not even sure how to access them.
I can relate to that SOB.

Ken

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:54 am
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I guess he might be the best Wagyu I've seen, but he wouldn't even make a good looking heifer. LOL

Re: My new Wagyu bull

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:21 am
by ALACOWMAN
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:54 am
I guess he might be the best Wagyu I've seen, but he wouldn't even make a good looking heifer. LOL
When I see them, I just have too look beyond the hide...