Line one Herefords...Pros and Cons???

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Line one Herefords...Pros and Cons???

Postby regenwether » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:23 am

I'm looking at putting a Hereford on my black cows. I'm planning on pulling the black white faced heifers as replacements. How does the line one work in this cross?? Thanks!
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Postby Auburn_Ag » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:47 am

That is exactly that I am doing, I find the breeds complement each other, there for a win win. Go to Everthing Else Board and look for FIRST CALF OF 07 to see one of my calves.
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Postby capt » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:48 pm

A Line One Hereford bull will sire calves that come easy, grow very well, and hang a high quality carcass with adequate muscle. The heifers, oh boy I don't know where to start or where to stop. Increased productive life, very fertile, easy keeping. I honestly can't recommend any other breed to put on commercial black cows (especially if they are commercial angus cows, not just black hided).
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Postby alftn » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:29 am

F-1 blackbaldies "hereford/Black Angus" are a great cross.... Should be great mother cows these F-1....
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Postby KNERSIE » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:21 am

I think you have many more options than just the Line 1 herefords. I am no expert on the line 1's, but if I remember correctly they are of the larger framed hereford families.

Make sure the bull you are going to use will produce daughters of the farme size you prefer, whether it is a Line 1 or not, as long as its a hereford. I would go with a bull with a lot of muscle as the angus base cows should provide for the maternal quality in the cross.
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Postby novatech » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:20 am

KNERSIE wrote:I think you have many more options than just the Line 1 herefords. I am no expert on the line 1's, but if I remember correctly they are of the larger framed hereford families.

Make sure the bull you are going to use will produce daughters of the farme size you prefer, whether it is a Line 1 or not, as long as its a hereford. I would go with a bull with a lot of muscle as the angus base cows should provide for the maternal quality in the cross.

Please forgive my ignorance.
What is a Line one?
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Postby KNERSIE » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:39 am

I am sure there are many USA hereford breeders much more qualified to answer this, but here goes...

Colorado State University started a linebreeding program of herefords about fifty years ago. They started with quite a few lines (I think 9 in total) and developed these lines through linebreeding or concentrating the blood of a certain sire (Victor Domino breeding if I remember correctly). Out of all these lines of herefords the line no 1 proved to be the most succesfull and was in the end the only one that was continued to being linebred and is still being continued by some breeders today, hence the name Line 1.

In the name of many prominent herefords you'll see L1 referring to the animal coming out of the Line 1's of CSU. At the same time MSU also undertook a similar project and the Prospectors was the most successfull line coming out of that project. Feltons 517 being a very prominent sire with Prospector ancestry.

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Postby W.B. » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:58 am

KNERSIE: I am pretty sure that CSU developed the Prospector line and MSU developed the Prince Domino Line. Both lines of cattle have gone on to a prominent influence in the breed and continue to this day. The MSU cattle are considerd the Line Ones of today.
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Postby Brandonm2 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:06 am

Line 1 Herefords are the result of a 70 year old govt line breeding experiment in Miles City, Montana

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/a ... ef0896.htm

Prominent line 1 breeders include Holdens http://holdenherefords.com/index.html , Coopers, and Debtors.
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Postby KNERSIE » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:15 am

W.B. it seems like I had the two mixed up.

this is from Gary Witherspoon's website:

In America, two universities are best known for the closed lines of Herefords they developed. These are Montana State University and Colorado State University. These schools selected particular original groups of herefords as their base genetic pool, and then developed them as closed lines, meaning they never bred any of them to animals outside the original group or linebred descendents of the original group. The most famous of these are the Line Ones developed at MSU and the Prospectors developed at CSU. Each of these breeding programs had 8 or 10 other closed lines but they did not develop the overall excellence and popularity that the Prospectors and the Line Ones did. That could be both due to the original animals selected and the success of the selection program within those lines.
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Postby MountainFarmChar » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:02 pm

Auburn_Ag wrote:That is exactly that I am doing, I find the breeds complement each other, there for a win win. Go to Everthing Else Board and look for FIRST CALF OF 07 to see one of my calves.


I had a friend who used Angus cows with Hereford bulls, he just wouldn't have anything else and those black white faced calves were nice. However, his weaning weights were just not very good (heavy) but when he kept the calves over and fed them they would heavy up pretty good and he done real well. Do you find this to be true with your Hereford/Angus calves?

Oh yes, the friend I was talking about was an older gentleman and when he passed away his son changed to Simmental and really lost alot of money before figuring that dad's cattle was hard to beat :nod: .
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Postby cfpinz » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:11 pm

MountainFarmChar wrote:Oh yes, the friend I was talking about was an older gentleman and when he passed away his son changed to Simmental and really lost alot of money before figuring that dad's cattle was hard to beat :nod: .


I will agree that hereford/angus is hard to beat. Do you know the reason he claims to have lost money with the simmis?

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Postby 1848 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:19 pm

Remember, it still boils down to individual bull selection, but the Line ones will do very good in a cross. Unless you specifically find a rare "polled" example, the majority of line ones are horned. Take that in to consideration in the make up of your cow herd. You could end up with horns and scurs which will take a little off at the sale, unless you dehorn yourself.
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Postby MountainFarmChar » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:28 pm

cfpinz wrote:
MountainFarmChar wrote:Oh yes, the friend I was talking about was an older gentleman and when he passed away his son changed to Simmental and really lost alot of money before figuring that dad's cattle was hard to beat :nod: .


I will agree that hereford/angus is hard to beat. Do you know the reason he claims to have lost money with the simmis?

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His first calf season was a disaster, lost so many cows and calves it was unbelievable. Those were some of the biggest calves I've ever seen! Now he has basically what dad had.
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line one herefords

Postby regenwether » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:30 pm

I've been using this cross for a while now. I've been happy with the results. I've got a few more years left on my current bull. I've been talking with my hereford breeder about A.Iing some of his cows with some of these top bulls. Remember I'm looking for Maternal mama's in the end. I'll cross those black baldies with a terminal bull. Here is a few Hereford bulls I've found: Feltons Legend 242, Felton Hereford Ranch, Maryville Mo. \ HH Advance 216M, Line one background, Holden Herefords, Valier MT. Let me know what you think!! :D
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