Line one Herefords...Pros and Cons???

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Postby farmguy » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:16 pm

Are there any breeders of polled line 1 cattle or any A I Bulls?
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Postby Brandonm2 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:15 pm

I would not consider myself knowledgable enough to make recommendations; but there are many Line 1s in the Hereford AI book.....

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... &11=51505E

There are numerous polled bulls with Line 1 animals in their pedigree. Feltons Legend 242 for example traces to Line 1s thru his sire.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 2=43515E5E
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Postby KNERSIE » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:59 pm

I think dun has used feltons Legend in the past, send him a PM I'm sure he'll be alot more help than the rest of us.
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Postby nortexsook » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:12 am

You may want to check out Jamison's in Kansas. They raise some really good Line One Herefords. I have bought bulls from them in the past (still using one). They always sired uniform, predictable calves that had plenty of performance. I used them on commercial angus cows. The steer calves always had plenty of performance and the heifers turned into productive calves. I'd say over half of my herd carries Jamison blood in the three generation pedigree.

http://www.jamisonherefords.com

http://www.agmailusa.com/jamison4/catalog/
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Postby KNERSIE » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:41 am

nortexsook, that was a very good link, thanks.

I know its a sale catalogue, but it really is top quality animals pictured.
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Postby dun » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:47 am

KNERSIE wrote:I think dun has used feltons Legend in the past, send him a PM I'm sure he'll be alot more help than the rest of us.


We only used him on one test cow and she hasn;t calved yet. There was a discussion of him on here last year.

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Postby nortexsook » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:45 pm

I also wanted to mention that if you are indeed serious about buying a line one bull, you can buy a very good two year old for $1400-$2000 at the Jamison sale. I have never paid more than $1900 at their sale and had a good choice of two year olds to chose from. They say the sale average is around $3200 at the sale but if you peel off the top 10 bulls sold the average comes down significantly. That, in my opinion, is a good price to pay for a sure enough good range bull (with straight line one breeding like you are looking for).

Also to get the full benefit of the line one prepotency don't just buy a hereford bull with a line one sire or dam, look for line one breeding throughout the three generation pedigree. (ie: Coopers (CL 1 Domino), Holdens (HH Advance), Jamison (JA L1), Fort Keogh (L1 Domino), ect...

Hope this helps.
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Postby regenwether » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:41 pm

Thanks for the imput...
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Postby DOC HARRIS » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:06 pm

MountainFarmChar wrote:
cfpinz wrote:
MountainFarmChar wrote:Oh yes, the friend I was talking about was an older gentleman and when he passed away his son changed to Simmental and really lost alot of money before figuring that dad's cattle was hard to beat :nod: .


I will agree that hereford/angus is hard to beat. Do you know the reason he claims to have lost money with the simmis?

cfpinz


His first calf season was a disaster, lost so many cows and calves it was unbelievable. Those were some of the biggest calves I've ever seen! Now he has basically what dad had.
Here is an opportunity to once again (!) attempt to explain the absolute necessity of NOT thinking just BREED as the source of all the problems in Cattle Management! If the Son had used common sense and studied the genetics of the Simmental Bull he used on his cows, and the genetics of the cows he bred to the Simmental bull, AND used the FACTS of Phenotype and Genotype - TOGETHER - he would have (a)- NOT had a disaster, (b)- would NOT have lost cows and calves because the bull(s) and cows would have been physically compatible for Birth Weight and size, and (c)- the Son would not have had to blame the breed, the feed, the soil, the weather, the government, his neighbors, and probably the local County Agent and the guy he bought the Simmental (Bull(s) from to boot! And he wouldn't have had to blame his ignorance, either. Or - maybe it was his stupidity!

This is a perfect example of why Universities, and intelligent breeders decided it was past time for people who were trying to make a living from the Land and Cattle to LEARN what the heck they were doing - and the mistakes they were making. If they were smart - they could be successful. If they were stupid - they would just have to continue to make the same stupid errors of good judgement, and probably go broke, and then continue to blame someone else for their failures! :lol2:

DON'T GET ME STARTED!

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Postby JMichal » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:21 pm

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Can't go wrong with L1's

Postby eldiente » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:15 pm

I think Line 1 cattle are some of the best herefords around. My preference is to get close to the original source - I like the L1 herd ot Miles City, MT or the Cooper Hereford or Holden Hereford ranches.

These cattle have been selected for a number of generations, and you'll find great consistency in the entire herd.
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Postby DOC HARRIS » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:35 pm

Can I have a beer while on bored?
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Postby 1848 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:40 am

DOC HARRIS wrote:If the Son had used common sense and studied the genetics of the Simmental Bull he used on his cows, and the genetics of the cows he bred to the Simmental bull, AND used the FACTS of Phenotype and Genotype - TOGETHER - he would have (a)- NOT had a disaster, (b)- would NOT have lost cows and calves because the bull(s) and cows would have been physically compatible for Birth Weight and size, and (c)- the Son would not have had to blame the breed, the feed, the soil, the weather, the government, his neighbors, and probably the local County Agent and the guy he bought the Simmental (Bull(s) from to boot! And he wouldn't have had to blame his ignorance, either.DOC HARRIS


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Postby sjr725 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:59 pm

We just bought 3 new 2yr old bulls that are basically MSU line 1 Havre bloodlines - they'll get here in April! looking forward to seeing them again - we bought them last fall. Don't ask me any complicated genetics questions - that's hubby's job! I just lide them based strictly on looks.
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 pm

DOC HARRIS wrote:
MountainFarmChar wrote:
cfpinz wrote:
I will agree that hereford/angus is hard to beat. Do you know the reason he claims to have lost money with the simmis?

cfpinz


His first calf season was a disaster, lost so many cows and calves it was unbelievable. Those were some of the biggest calves I've ever seen! Now he has basically what dad had.
Here is an opportunity to once again (!) attempt to explain the absolute necessity of NOT thinking just BREED as the source of all the problems in Cattle Management! If the Son had used common sense and studied the genetics of the Simmental Bull he used on his cows, and the genetics of the cows he bred to the Simmental bull, AND used the FACTS of Phenotype and Genotype - TOGETHER - he would have (a)- NOT had a disaster, (b)- would NOT have lost cows and calves because the bull(s) and cows would have been physically compatible for Birth Weight and size, and (c)- the Son would not have had to blame the breed, the feed, the soil, the weather, the government, his neighbors, and probably the local County Agent and the guy he bought the Simmental (Bull(s) from to boot! And he wouldn't have had to blame his ignorance, either. Or - maybe it was his stupidity!

This is a perfect example of why Universities, and intelligent breeders decided it was past time for people who were trying to make a living from the Land and Cattle to LEARN what the heck they were doing - and the mistakes they were making. If they were smart - they could be successful. If they were stupid - they would just have to continue to make the same stupid errors of good judgement, and probably go broke, and then continue to blame someone else for their failures! :lol2:

DON'T GET ME STARTED!

DOC HARRIS


I sure do miss ol' DOC, he had a way of getting right to the point.
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