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Re: Idaman

Postby backhoeboogie » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:56 am

I sure hope all you folks can go on with stories. This has been one of the best threads in CT since I have been reading here.
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Postby KNERSIE » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:01 am

backhoeboogie wrote:I sure hope all you folks can go on with stories. This has been one of the best threads in CT since I have been reading here.


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Re: Idaman

Postby R.N.Reed » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:15 am

Pardon my interuption of this Sanctum Sanctorum but I had a Deewall bull on the place last night for about 15 min.He was no 125 but I was very impressed with his front end and overall balance.He was a little sheepish around all those Shorthorns and jumped right back on the trailer to finish his trip to Indiana.
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Postby Herefords.US » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:32 am

R.N.Reed wrote:Pardon my interuption of this Sanctum Sanctorum but I had a Deewall bull on the place last night for about 15 min.He was no 125 but I was very impressed with his front end and overall balance.He was a little sheepish around all those Shorthorns and jumped right back on the trailer to finish his trip to Indiana.


I suppose that means that KMac has successfully transported back from "the dark side"! If the bull was sheepish around Shorthorns, he may be REAL skittish around all those black cattle! :lol:

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Postby R.N.Reed » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:35 am

Yes sir the Mac is back!
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Re: Idaman

Postby BIZIN » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:01 am

How do you guys think it would work bringing a bull from Kansas up into Saskatchewan? I am really really interested in these Deewall cattle and would really like to go see them.
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Postby 3waycross » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:07 pm

BIZIN wrote:How do you guys think it would work bringing a bull from Kansas up into Saskatchewan? I am really really interested in these Deewall cattle and would really like to go see them.



Just a guess but I imagine it would depend on what time of year you moved him.If it was me I'd move him in the spring. Herfs are real cold tolerant but he would have to have a chance to grow some haircoat.

On the other hand the scenry ain't that much different. Elevation is close so he might never know the difference except for the temps. Just tell them to him in Farenheight or he might think he is freezin to death all the time.
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Re: Idaman

Postby Idaman » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:45 pm

BIZIN wrote:How do you guys think it would work bringing a bull from Kansas up into Saskatchewan? I am really really interested in these Deewall cattle and would really like to go see them.


They would work fine. As you will see from future segments of my story that is exactly what we did 30 years ago. We moved our entire purebred herd from Colorado to BC. It might be good to overwinter them for acclimation purposes before heavy use. The Nash cattle were very hearty as they were bred at about 9000 feet and wintered out, probably contributing to their disposition at that time. The other side, from the Arrow was bred primarily at Miles City so that should work good on that side.

Kit Pharo says you can move them north and west all year round but south and east only in the winter. That has been my experience as well.
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Re: Idaman

Postby Idaman » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:17 pm

Thanks to everyone who has posted here and the encouragement to continue is just that, encouragement. There have been tons of PMs and emails and most of them were kind and encouraging as well. Some children of old friends relayed some great stories about the subject breeders but I will hold them for now.

If you the readers will indulge me I would like to take a different direction with this thread but still stay on the ranching subject. There will be some on purebred cattle and the people around them but with more emphasis on our experiences on the Canadian ranch. We had great neighbors there and the Canadians on board will surely recognize some of the places if not the semi-famous people.

In the early 70s I got the urge to look for greener pastures and ended up deciding on BC Canada. The ranch we were on in Colorado had been in the family since 1864 with other roots going back to 1853. Another side of the family had come from, you guessed it, Herefordshire, England via New London, Ontario where my grandfather was born.

I went up to BC several times during those years looking at ranches. The area we liked was west of Clinton along the Frazer River. That area was famous for its grass, where they finished steers on grass, although at three or four years of age. It also was noted for its ability to winter cattle out and that really intrigued me after the 100+ inch snow winters in Colorado.


The ranch we landed on was the Canoe Creek Ranch belonging to Jack Koster and his family. This was the east half of their original ranch with the west half lying on the west side of the Frazer and that belonged to a fellow Coloradoan named Bob J.R. Maytag of the appliance company. In 1974 Bob sold his half, the Empire Valley, to a German Baroness by the name of Sophie Stegeman. The ranch had been split in the 50s when Jacks' father died and Jack and his Henry brother decided to split the ranch. On a flight out or Kamloops I recognized Bob Maytag and we conversed about what each of us were doing up there. That was before he sold to Sophie. After Sophie purchased the ranch Bob held a fairly large mortgage on it to be paid in one year from the proceeds of all the cattle sales until it was paid. Sophie refused to pay him so he was forced to take the ranch back. He started those proceedings and just before he got possession back he approached us and wanted to trade. We said no but call us when the ranch is in your possession. After he took possession he called us and we met in a few days and made the trade. He did not want to try to start his business again there as his crew had moved back to the states. We got the land, no cows and some of the machinery. We didn't realize just what we had and what we had done because I had only visited there a couple of times when Sophie wanted me to bail her out. This meeting was set up by Henry Koster, Jacks' brother who was a realtor at the time. After the signing in Kamloops Bobs' attorney turned to me and said " Just what are you going to do with a 325,000 acre ranch?" That is when it hit me and I wondered about that morning in my prayer time when I had asked the Lord what he wanted to do when Bob came to propose the trade. The verse he revealed to me said " Go down and go with them all is well I have sent them." At times I wondered about those directions.

The next day I went out to my new ranch and home and was able to hire back some of Maytags' crew who could babysit the ranch while I went back to Colorado to pack a family and arrange for the future shipping of the purbred cows and our machinery. Without my fantastic wife Connie, a childhood sweetheart this would never have been possible. In all our moves she has insisted that she not go and see the house but just move into whatever it was and make a home. She really got the test at Empire, 80 miles from pavement, no electricity, no phone, no school and only indians for employees and neighbors.
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Re: Idaman

Postby jhambley » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:43 pm

I had a Deewall bull on the place last night for about 15 min


I'm sure KMac will post his own photos as soon as the bull has a chance to recover from the trip. In the mean time, Jane Deewall asked that I help her post a photo of KMac's D Advance 806 bull. He just turned two.

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Postby alacattleman » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:53 pm

some kind of story idaman.
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Re: Idaman

Postby LazyARanch » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:25 pm

Yep, I have to say I have really enjoyed this thread! First place I come to when I get on CT!

:tiphat: Thanks to ALL of you who have contributed, please keep on..... I can't wait to read (and learn) more!
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Re: Idaman

Postby Julian » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:51 pm

jhambley wrote:
I had a Deewall bull on the place last night for about 15 min


I'm sure KMac will post his own photos as soon as the bull has a chance to recover from the trip. In the mean time, Jane Deewall asked that I help her post a photo of KMac's D Advance 806 bull. He just turned two.

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Had the opportunity to meet KMac and his family along with Mike and Jane Deewall when the bull was still on the trailer here in Kansas. Good looking bull and real enjoyable people.
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Re: Idaman

Postby caprock » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:08 pm

Hey guys, I'm Franklin Nash's youngest daughter. I'm in the jewelry biz and about all I know about cattle is that the right one is a bonafide existential experience when its on a plate at PETER LUGER.. Other than that, they give me hives. I know you've moved past the topic, but I just wanted to say how amazed I am that my Old Man had such a lasting impact on so many and thank you all for your stories and kind words.. He was ONE in many Billion and the lessons he taught serve well in every aspect of life (I'm the one that got to go to Catholic school which was a big ole "THANKS DAD").
It also, nice to see a place where "real people" (us country types though admittedly I have a rather citified job) can converge.

You've talked about some of the crazy stories my Dad gifted us with experiencing-but I've got one for you on a whole different plane. He proof read every article my husband and I wrote and our book. Copy editors we're floored by how little work they had to do-especially when we told them our editor was an 80 year old Rancher!! He was just so be nice smart, I'm still think about him with awe.

Also, there is a book (someone mentioned writing a book) that has a chapter on him, It's called "Lonely Vigil" by Walter Lord-and its a great read in general.

Anyway, Like I said I'm not a cow type and won't clutter up your boards-but it really does hit on an emotional level to see all these pictures of bulls I recognize. I'm so very proud and grateful to Mike and Jane Deewall for carry on for Dad and really for all of us..


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Re: Idaman

Postby TexasBred » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:10 pm

Dang all of a sudden we're having an online family reunion.
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