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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:32 pm

greybeard wrote:No I do not.
A fixed pattern of behavior to stimuli. Mental or physical response..


Most of what you mentioned in your post above are not instinct. For example, if you hear something that awakens you, the initial response is immediately stunted by your cognitive functions that begin to analyze what it might be.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:38 pm

The brain of a Homo sapiens harbors remnants of instinctive functions but they are stunted by the evolution toward cognitive function. Primates have shown a steady advance toward cerebral development culminating in Homo sapiens.

Getting back to the topic, killing in humans is a deliberative process. To attribute killing to instinct is nonsense.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby TexasBred » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:50 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
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TexasBred wrote:Sorry Grit but you're 100% wrong. You also have no license to practice law.


License to practice Law!!! That scares me to death. I can understand that he may have slept through Government Class. But you would think he would know more than he does from watching the news and old reruns of Perry Mason.

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I don't know anything about anything, but I can read and look up the meaning of a word. Comprehension is and has always been my problem, because I can think for myself.

So you're always right as long as you "think" you're right. :lol2: :lol2:
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby herofan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:24 pm

Bright Raven wrote:The brain of a Homo sapiens harbors remnants of instinctive functions but they are stunted by the evolution toward cognitive function. Primates have shown a steady advance toward cerebral development culminating in Homo sapiens.

Getting back to the topic, killing in humans is a deliberative process. To attribute killing to instinct is nonsense.


Whew! That sounds down right interlectural. :D
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby bball » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:54 pm

herofan wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:The brain of a Homo sapiens harbors remnants of instinctive functions but they are stunted by the evolution toward cognitive function. Primates have shown a steady advance toward cerebral development culminating in Homo sapiens.

Getting back to the topic, killing in humans is a deliberative process. To attribute killing to instinct is nonsense.


Whew! That sounds down right interlectural. :D


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Re: Another school shooting

Postby greybeard » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 am

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No matter what some may think of Bright Raven, he is an extremely intelligent man with honor and integrity that would rival just about anyone on here.

Yes.........instinctively so.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby danl » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:49 am

This has probably already been posted,but looks like law enforcement dropped the ball again. He posted on YouTube he was going to be a pro school shooter, was reported the FBI and they couldn't find him ??????
Cops had been called to his house 35 times.
That is what is supposed to keep you from passing FBI background check when you try to buy a gun.
Sounds familiar to the Texas church shooter where the military didn't follow thru.
How are more laws gonna help when the ones we have aren't used???
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Ryder » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:23 am

danl wrote:This has probably already been posted,but looks like law enforcement dropped the ball again. He posted on YouTube he was going to be a pro school shooter, was reported the FBI and they couldn't find him ??????
Cops had been called to his house 35 times.
That is what is supposed to keep you from passing FBI background check when you try to buy a gun.
Sounds familiar to the Texas church shooter where the military didn't follow thru.
How are more laws gonna help when the ones we have aren't used???

More laws make the liberals feel good.
They then feel more empowered over us common folk.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:37 am

On the issue of instinct. The subject of instinct comes up in a number of courses in the biological sciences. It also comes up in psychology. Instinct has been treated differently by a number of prominent scientist. Some have maintained that humans have no instincts - the blank sheet of paper theory. I thought it was interesting that Caustic Bruno's dad used that term in his advice about CB's first born. That he was a blank sheet of paper. Today, scientist recognize that humans do have instincts or innate behavior. Meaning they are born with those behaviors. One of nature's classic innate behaviors is the sea turtles. They hatch on the beach and immediately without thought or training journey to the sea. What the layperson considers instinct is not always treated the same by scientist. Scientist relate instinct to a neurological function. Instinct is innate. It is not a thought process. Most all human actions involve a thought process. The classic instinct in humans is possession. Even a 3 month old child will grasp his bottle and resist it being taken away out of instinct.

Anthropologist have described humans as a docile animal. With the most advanced cerebrum in the animal kingdom. Capable of complex emotions. Love, hate, desire, jealousy, etc. Killing another human is not a natural or innate behavior in humans. Humans have one of the most complex social structures in the animal kingdom. From before we became humans, our hominid ancestors lived in social groups. It is believed they buried their dead. It is not natural for a human to kill another human. War is conducted only by the human species. It is not innate. It is learned behavior.

While motives to kill might be triggered by instinctive or innate behavior, the act is a process of thought.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:33 am

Bright Raven wrote:On the issue of instinct. The subject of instinct comes up in a number of courses in the biological sciences. It also comes up in psychology. Instinct has been treated differently by a number of prominent scientist. Some have maintained that humans have no instincts - the blank sheet of paper theory. I thought it was interesting that Caustic Bruno's dad used that term in his advice about CB's first born. That he was a blank sheet of paper. Today, scientist recognize that humans do have instincts or innate behavior. Meaning they are born with those behaviors. One of nature's classic innate behaviors is the sea turtles. They hatch on the beach and immediately without thought or training journey to the sea. What the layperson considers instinct is not always treated the same by scientist. Scientist relate instinct to a neurological function. Instinct is innate. It is not a thought process. Most all human actions involve a thought process. The classic instinct in humans is possession. Even a 3 month old child will grasp his bottle and resist it being taken away out of instinct.

Anthropologist have described humans as a docile animal. With the most advanced cerebrum in the animal kingdom. Capable of complex emotions. Love, hate, desire, jealousy, etc. Killing another human is not a natural or innate behavior in humans. Humans have one of the most complex social structures in the animal kingdom. From before we became humans, our hominid ancestors lived in social groups. It is believed they buried their dead. It is not natural for a human to kill another human. War is conducted only by the human species. It is not innate. It is learned behavior.

While motives to kill might be triggered by instinctive or innate behavior, the act is a process of thought.


Your repeating what you read and learned that is supposed to happen. There's a big difference in that and what actually happens in life. Your sea turtle statement is so wrong, even though that's what you read and learned it's far from fact. Turn a bright lite on and every hatchling will crawl away from the sea towards the light.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:48 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Your repeating what you read and learned that is supposed to happen. There's a big difference in that and what actually happens in life. Your sea turtle statement is so wrong, even though that's what you read and learned it's far from fact. Turn a bright lite on and every hatchling will crawl away from the sea towards the light.


It doesn't surprise me. It demonstrates that other stimuli can interfere with their instinctive behavior. But under normal circumstances without interference, that does not change the fact that their survival is based on the instinct to journey to the sea.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby TexasBred » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:03 am

Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
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I am not going to argue with the only person on this forum who does not recognize that persons trained in the art of law practice are known by labels including 1. Lawyer 2. Counsel/counselor 3. Attorney 4. Solicitor etc.

Definition: Lawyer - a person who practices or studies law; an attorney or a counselor.

coun·sel
ˈkounsəl/Submit
noun
1.
advice, especially that given formally.
synonyms: advice, guidance, counseling, direction, information; More
2.
the lawyer or lawyers conducting a case.
"the counsel for the defense"
synonyms: lawyer, advocate, attorney, attorney-at-law, counselor; More
verb
1.
give advice to (someone).
"he was counseled by his supporters to return to Germany"

The way I read the description of counsel is that, 2 out of 3 of the definitions of the word "counsel" is in my favor. If you'd shut up and listen you might even learn something today, or do you lack the ability to comprehend?


I give up. And I rarely do that.

BR Grit would probably represent himself. You know the old saying. The person who represents himself in a court of law has a fool for a client. :lol2:
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:23 am

TexasBred wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:coun·sel
ˈkounsəl/Submit
noun
1.
advice, especially that given formally.
synonyms: advice, guidance, counseling, direction, information; More
2.
the lawyer or lawyers conducting a case.
"the counsel for the defense"
synonyms: lawyer, advocate, attorney, attorney-at-law, counselor; More
verb
1.
give advice to (someone).
"he was counseled by his supporters to return to Germany"

The way I read the description of counsel is that, 2 out of 3 of the definitions of the word "counsel" is in my favor. If you'd shut up and listen you might even learn something today, or do you lack the ability to comprehend?


I give up. And I rarely do that.

BR Grit would probably represent himself. You know the old saying. The person who represents himself in a court of law has a fool for a client. :lol2:


I needed that. :tiphat:
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby TexasBred » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:58 am

bball wrote:
herofan wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:The brain of a Homo sapiens harbors remnants of instinctive functions but they are stunted by the evolution toward cognitive function. Primates have shown a steady advance toward cerebral development culminating in Homo sapiens.

Getting back to the topic, killing in humans is a deliberative process. To attribute killing to instinct is nonsense.


Whew! That sounds down right interlectural. :D


No matter what some may think of Bright Raven, he is an extremely intelligent man with honor and integrity that would rival just about anyone on here.

Let's just give him a pat on the back and not go overboard. :lol: :hide:
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:24 am

I'm amazed at the general lack of feeling some of these kids have. They do seem to be really disconnected from reality... and that's the "normal" kids. Throw in some mental issues and you can see how it's woukd be a recipe for disaster.
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