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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:25 pm

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Highpoint wrote:Monsanto moved its headquarters to the EU.

I learned much from Dr Don Huber Purdue University Animal Pathologist who studied glyphosate for 25 years. He has YouTube videos and when he wrote a warning letter to his findings he was fired. University monies come from companies like Monsanto.

The main fear is not just health but the seeds failing which began to happen in 2009 in Africa. The plants came up but produced no fruit which has now been shown to many pastors and people like me who never understood agriculture.

I'm sure I cannot convince you but to know and say nothing is wrong too. I hope you search for good seeds and plant them.


I did watch one of his YouTube videos. I also read where he has been characterized as an alarmist. I don't want to debate Dr. Huber but there are some red flags including his firing.

I am always a skeptic but unless you have the time to thoroughly research a subject like this, the best course is to examine the references. The glyphosate study was published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (JNCI). Research methods and findings are extensively screened before the paper is accepted for publication.


Yes I always say follow the money. Did Dr Huber have anything to gain by sounding the alarm to those dairymen? All he gained was the loss of his livelihood and his reputation by suggesting to them to stop feeding GMO feed. The dairymen were losing 15 percent of their herd.

Dr Seneff however at MIT doesn't know Dr Huber. At MIT they can now see molecules and the lesions caused by those products are also causing lesions in human guts. Thus autoimmune disorders, leaky gut, failure to thrive in babies ect. Certainly for ranchers who hold out their own cattle to raise and eat are not affected. You see pasture grasses have major benefits in natural detox and a host of other nutrients.

Probably the most interesting research right now are the tick studies. Cattle can as well as people detox but because it is not Pharma you won't hear in your lifetime probably. Like others have said it takes years to be accepted. Yes I know it is showing a none cell parasite which enters other cells and robs the host of nutrients. While antibiotics cannot touch them they do show silver in the way of nana particles can. But the cost without knowing how to produce yourself would be prohibitive.


Hold on, please. This was about glyphosate, not ticks, GMOs or Dr. Huber.

Getting back to glyphosate. In science, it is not about who can debate the best, it is about who used good science and methods. The study which is the subject of this thread is part of a project known as the Agricultural Health Study (AHS), which has been tracking the health of tens of thousands of agricultural workers, farmers and their families in Iowa and North Carolina. The results were accepted for publication in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (JNCI). If you don't agree with the results, the burden is on you to produce a contrary study that has used better methods and science. Or you have to show this study is flawed in methods or findings.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:43 pm

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ga.prime wrote:Glyphosate has always been shown to be non-carcinogenic. Why there is such determination to paint it otherwise is what I'd like to know.

Because there is a segment of the population that vary in age from young people (20"s) to middle age (40's) plus old hippies (70's) that believe fertilizer, chemicals and GMO's have been developed by huge agri-business to maximize profit at the expense of the populations health. They would desire us to move back in time before the evolution of modern farming as it is seen today. We would not apply anhydrous, use manure from livestock foraging on last years fields, plant the crops with perhaps fertilizer boxes on the planters, use the roto till for weed control and then harvest. I looked up yields for the US in 1950 corn 38 bu/ acre, soybeans 22 bu/ acre, wheat 17 bu/ acre. I am all for going back to that time if I can also buy a tractor new for $6,000 and buy ground for $500/ acre. What do you think would happen if a loaf of bread was $5.00 and a gallon of milk $15.00. Todays cash price for Dec 2017 corn is $3.05 it is unsustainable for heavily debt operations to stay afloat at these prices, coupled with people one to two generations removed from the farm with unrealistic expectations on cash rent for acerage. If they don't like that now what will they think when farms consolidate and now corporations are farming 250,000 acres. Just look at what John Deere is doing. Our "local dealership operates 8 locations under the same family name, JD is consolidating dealerships, have these owners thought about the next logical step in this progression which will be JD pulling the franchises and operating the stores directly. I am 57 in my lifetime I will see planting being entirely autominous especially in large open areas of the midwest. Planting will be done with no one in the cab when the planting unit is empty it will stop sense for rain open the seed hoppers and a unmaned seed tender come out and refill. Problem? sensors will detect and send a text message to you and the dealer.


You are right about a few things here. Health issues in the USA is about to break the bank and people of all ages now have the Internet to study and some are very mad while others are just trying to make a living. The dots are not all connected yet but by the time they are it will be the large corporate groups that will loose the most unless they have found good seeds and learned how to work with natures immune system instead of trying to destroy the land and add back just what is needed to produce a crop. You mine as well not follow them down that hole. Goodness if you farm at all you can see fungus issues super weeds and instead of reducing the amounts of chemicals you are now required to increase. I can see too why no one wants to admit it has caused some serious health costs as well.

When I first started studying deep study fifteen years ago I started with the high school teaching on the immune system. The Bible says we are just dirt so what helps the dirt helps us. I went into raw milk than how in the world pharma took over universities in 1910. I found out how the Supreme Court allowed corporations to own living things like the seeds and their race to modified the seeds so farmers could not save their own. By the way it started with GE patenting a worm that was suppose to be able to eat oil. Those same companies would love to shut up Dr Huber and others as if they can keep the farmer in the dark. Please don't misunderstand, I came to this site to learn as much about cattle as possible not to change your way of doing things. I have already learned a great deal and with me I like to ask the question why. I cannot always find your language terms but will get there.

Who knows maybe one day the cattle online will add a section on organic or natural. It appears from comments that there are some involved in it.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:03 pm

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I did watch one of his YouTube videos. I also read where he has been characterized as an alarmist. I don't want to debate Dr. Huber but there are some red flags including his firing.

I am always a skeptic but unless you have the time to thoroughly research a subject like this, the best course is to examine the references. The glyphosate study was published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (JNCI). Research methods and findings are extensively screened before the paper is accepted for publication.


Yes I always say follow the money. Did Dr Huber have anything to gain by sounding the alarm to those dairymen? All he gained was the loss of his livelihood and his reputation by suggesting to them to stop feeding GMO feed. The dairymen were losing 15 percent of their herd.

Dr Seneff however at MIT doesn't know Dr Huber. At MIT they can now see molecules and the lesions caused by those products are also causing lesions in human guts. Thus autoimmune disorders, leaky gut, failure to thrive in babies ect. Certainly for ranchers who hold out their own cattle to raise and eat are not affected. You see pasture grasses have major benefits in natural detox and a host of other nutrients.

Probably the most interesting research right now are the tick studies. Cattle can as well as people detox but because it is not Pharma you won't hear in your lifetime probably. Like others have said it takes years to be accepted. Yes I know it is showing a none cell parasite which enters other cells and robs the host of nutrients. While antibiotics cannot touch them they do show silver in the way of nana particles can. But the cost without knowing how to produce yourself would be prohibitive.


Hold on, please. This was about glyphosate, not ticks, GMOs or Dr. Huber.

Getting back to glyphosate. In science, it is not about who can debate the best, it is about who used good science and methods. The study which is the subject of this thread is part of a project known as the Agricultural Health Study (AHS), which has been tracking the health of tens of thousands of agricultural workers, farmers and their families in Iowa and North Carolina. The results were accepted for publication in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (JNCI). If you don't agree with the results, the burden is on you to produce a contrary study that has used better methods and science. Or you have to show this study is flawed in methods or findings.


Ok let's start with the Journal of Cancer Institute. Again I said follow the money. Have you ever seen any research in any cancer society which addresses the real cure or root cause of cancer? There is a YouTube video by dr reg mcdaniel of fisher institute proving chemo blasts tumors to reduce size and spreads it through out the body including into the brain. He showed videos to the Colorado Supreme Court. Have you ever heard this in a journal? What about the cancer society's recommendation of Ensure - a product packed with sugar. Cancer grows on sugar.

Then probably where I should have started - who owns the cancer society? You guessed it- the same group who manufacture the glyphosate. Oh you may not know this but Monsanto and Bayer owners also have ties to many societies including the cancer society. Yes hard to believe as I raised many dollars for their groups thinking I was helping. They probably laugh each time you defend them. Should I continue with the heart association?

You'll need to provide a better source of information to make your defense plausible.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:22 pm

Bright Raven. If you had cancer I would first advise you to get off of all GMO foods and take products with cell surface sugars as without them your body would NOT be able to recognize cancer to carry out of your body. Nor would your body be able to not attack itself ( auto immune). Many people have cancer because a doctor prescribed something to shut down the immune system like arthritis meds. Cancer is an immune disorder. I would tell you to find good raw milk and make sure the cows are not fed GMOs. Then find a good source of sulfur - well water tested and finally get on organic plant based nutrients with zinc to raise your vitamin d level which is the level cells regenerate. I would advise the nutrients because farming no longer can survive by insuring the plants have absorbed the micronutrients out of the soil. I would then expect a good report in eight weeks if you had not waited too long.
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Re: glyphosate study

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Highpoint wrote:Bright Raven. If you had cancer I would first advise you to get off of all GMO foods and take products with cell surface sugars as without them your body would NOT be able to recognize cancer to carry out of your body. Nor would your body be able to not attack itself ( auto immune). Many people have cancer because a doctor prescribed something to shut down the immune system like arthritis meds. Cancer is an immune disorder. I would tell you to find good raw milk and make sure the cows are not fed GMOs. Then find a good source of sulfur - well water tested and finally get on organic plant based nutrients with zinc to raise your vitamin d level which is the level cells regenerate. I would advise the nutrients because farming no longer can survive by insuring the plants have absorbed the micronutrients out of the soil. I would then expect a good report in eight weeks if you had not waited too long.


Disappointed! You are more into Voodoo than science. That is not meant to be critical. There is a bright future in Voodoo these days. I am not surprised Dr. Huber got fired at Purdue.

BTW: your philosophy on cancer is not even close to that of my son. He has his PhD in Cancer Cell Biology from Vanderbilt University. But I am sure they just follow the money.

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Re: glyphosate study

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Bright Raven wrote:
Highpoint wrote:Bright Raven. If you had cancer I would first advise you to get off of all GMO foods and take products with cell surface sugars as without them your body would NOT be able to recognize cancer to carry out of your body. Nor would your body be able to not attack itself ( auto immune). Many people have cancer because a doctor prescribed something to shut down the immune system like arthritis meds. Cancer is an immune disorder. I would tell you to find good raw milk and make sure the cows are not fed GMOs. Then find a good source of sulfur - well water tested and finally get on organic plant based nutrients with zinc to raise your vitamin d level which is the level cells regenerate. I would advise the nutrients because farming no longer can survive by insuring the plants have absorbed the micronutrients out of the soil. I would then expect a good report in eight weeks if you had not waited too long.


Disappointed! You are more into Voodoo than science. That is not meant to be critical. There is a bright future in Voodoo these days. I am not surprised Dr. Huber got fired at Purdue.

BTW: your philosophy on cancer is not even close to that of my son. He has his PhD in Cancer Cell Biology from Vanderbilt University. But I am sure they just follow the money.

Goodnight

But highpoint has a PhD from Google, in cancer research!
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Highpoint wrote:Bright Raven. If you had cancer I would first advise you to get off of all GMO foods and take products with cell surface sugars as without them your body would NOT be able to recognize cancer to carry out of your body. Nor would your body be able to not attack itself ( auto immune). Many people have cancer because a doctor prescribed something to shut down the immune system like arthritis meds. Cancer is an immune disorder. I would tell you to find good raw milk and make sure the cows are not fed GMOs. Then find a good source of sulfur - well water tested and finally get on organic plant based nutrients with zinc to raise your vitamin d level which is the level cells regenerate. I would advise the nutrients because farming no longer can survive by insuring the plants have absorbed the micronutrients out of the soil. I would then expect a good report in eight weeks if you had not waited too long.


Disappointed! You are more into Voodoo than science. That is not meant to be critical. There is a bright future in Voodoo these days. I am not surprised Dr. Huber got fired at Purdue.

BTW: your philosophy on cancer is not even close to that of my son. He has his PhD in Cancer Cell Biology from Vanderbilt University. But I am sure they just follow the money.

Goodnight

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Re: glyphosate study

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Highpoint wrote:Bright Raven. If you had cancer I would first advise you to get off of all GMO foods and take products with cell surface sugars as without them your body would NOT be able to recognize cancer to carry out of your body. Nor would your body be able to not attack itself ( auto immune). Many people have cancer because a doctor prescribed something to shut down the immune system like arthritis meds. Cancer is an immune disorder. I would tell you to find good raw milk and make sure the cows are not fed GMOs. Then find a good source of sulfur - well water tested and finally get on organic plant based nutrients with zinc to raise your vitamin d level which is the level cells regenerate. I would advise the nutrients because farming no longer can survive by insuring the plants have absorbed the micronutrients out of the soil. I would then expect a good report in eight weeks if you had not waited too long.


Disappointed! You are more into Voodoo than science. That is not meant to be critical. There is a bright future in Voodoo these days. I am not surprised Dr. Huber got fired at Purdue.

BTW: your philosophy on cancer is not even close to that of my son. He has his PhD in Cancer Cell Biology from Vanderbilt University. But I am sure they just follow the money.

Goodnight

Only if he wants a job, there's plenty of jobs available on both sides, and few to none for those who take the middle road. Research and politics operate within the same bounds.


Money has its influence, nothing is immune.

He did follow the money. He is the editor of clinical studies and research publications worldwide for Eli Lilly. It has been a nice reprieve from research. He coordinates with physicians and researchers all over the globe.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:35 am

And it all depends on the researchers and physicians he coordinates with on accuracy of the reports. There's to much $money in cancer to ever put a cure out there to the general public.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:49 am

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This is a picture of my daughter in a drug induced comma with stag 4 throat cancer Wichita Via Christi Hospital six years ago. She is now the payroll clerk for sons company. Yes God could have healed her instantly but instead we walked through a journey of health. My husband photo was just as bad and thanks to God through His son Jesus his journey too lead to recovery of heart and lung disease.

You might want to share with your son that I have documented proof my daughters esphoagus grew back in 11 days in the hospital from a 4 cm tear they accidentally made and it was after I talked the surgeon into giving her Ambrotose which doesn't heal cancer but is the eight glycans. No antibiotics worked until they gave her sulfur drug.

I also have documented proof the shelf of scar tissue in husbands throat causing him to live with a trac for 3 years dissolved in 3 months with a product I found people drinking but really sold for pasture grass.

I do NOT believe voodoo can heal anything just open to what God intended from birth. I am a retired florist who now does accounting for 2 construction companies which more than 60 employees. Was forced to study health due to loosing too many friends and family to disease.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:03 am

I don't buy that crap either. There's no happy middle ground.
Highpoint, I do have a health question, I've had a cough for 30 years and can't shake it, it's been getting a little worse every year. If you know of anything that might help I'm open to being a guinea pig. I've been to plenty of doctors and specialist for nothing.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:46 am

Also your son will loose his license if he were to recommend any of my discoveries as doctors cannot prescribe food. Even the heart hospital where my husband was had to bring up the nutritional department before the doctors could ok it.

The doctors I went to listen too at conferences were dr Ben Carson and Dr Goen retired Chief of Staff St Johns Hospital among a few. In fact twelve years ago I would call dr goen as many people would have detox reactions I did not understand.

In my short study of cattle I find too the FDA doesn't allow ranchers to give some of the products as well. One is solvers silver which is the only product in research that addresses tick bite parasites.

And like I said before, if I knowing very little have made these simple discoveries, you and I know the public is not happy with institutions thought to protect the public but instead in the pockets of pharma money.
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Postby Jogeephus » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:02 am

Pretty sure the seed that didn't come up after planting in Africa and India was called Terminator. Monsanto doesn't allow people to save seed and when you buy it you agree not to replant it. Monsanto knew these purchasers in Africa's signatures on their promise wasn't worth the paper it was written on so they shipped them Terminator which would bear well on the first planting but be virtually sterile if the seed were saved and replanted. Monsanto makes its money by selling seed. Right or wrong this is in the agreement when you purchase their seed. Granted, the people in India were so pizzed they burned down the Monsanto headquarters there.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:21 am

True Grit Farms wrote:I don't buy that crap either. There's no happy middle ground.
Highpoint, I do have a health question, I've had a cough for 30 years and can't shake it, it's been getting a little worse every year. If you know of anything that might help I'm open to being a guinea pig. I've been to plenty of doctors and specialist for nothing.

If you are close to Wicita Ks go to Vis Clinic as two MD doctors are now plant based medicine. They will take nine viles of blood and it will take three weeks to get the report. The report will tell the doctor even what you are eating.
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Re: glyphosate study

Postby Highpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:23 am

Jogeephus wrote:Pretty sure the seed that didn't come up after planting in Africa and India was called Terminator. Monsanto doesn't allow people to save seed and when you buy it you agree not to replant it. Monsanto knew these purchasers in Africa's signatures on their promise wasn't worth the paper it was written on so they shipped them Terminator which would bear well on the first planting but be virtually sterile if the seed were saved and replanted. Monsanto makes its money by selling seed. Right or wrong this is in the agreement when you purchase their seed. Granted, the people in India were so pizzed they burned down the Monsanto headquarters there.

It was 209,000 acres and Monsanto said it was that they put on wrong. I have different thought on it.
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