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Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby slick4591 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:23 am

Good or Bad? I agree that way too much was taken away as I only see it as a way to hold back land for UN Agenda 21.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Caustic Burno » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:31 am

Good IMO as all that “Federal land” is unconstitutional.
That land belongs to the state and it’s residents to do with as they see fit.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bigfoot » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:38 am

You'd probably have to live, and work there to really know. Notice I said work. I've heard, but don't know, that the states can't afford to own it. Outside looking in, that doesn't seem right though.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Brute 23 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:39 am

I was curious about the same thing. Hopefully some Utah people will chime in.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby sim.-ang.king » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:13 am

Caustic Burno wrote:Good IMO as all that “Federal land” is unconstitutional.
That land belongs to the state and it’s residents to do with as they see fit.

But if the federal government doesn't own it, and care for it, the evil states, and private citizens will do evil nasty things to it.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:17 am

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Good IMO as all that “Federal land” is unconstitutional.
That land belongs to the state and it’s residents to do with as they see fit.

But if the federal government doesn't own it, and care for it, the evil states, and private citizens will do evil nasty things to it.


The federal government caring for it????? Do you know why you don't call the BLM to a kitchen fire? Because they would start a back fire in the living room.
I have dealt with lots of federal land managers in my life. The vast majority that I have met are educated beyond their ability to think.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:40 pm

Dave wrote:
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Good IMO as all that “Federal land” is unconstitutional.
That land belongs to the state and it’s residents to do with as they see fit.

But if the federal government doesn't own it, and care for it, the evil states, and private citizens will do evil nasty things to it.


The federal government caring for it????? Do you know why you don't call the BLM to a kitchen fire? Because they would start a back fire in the living room.
I have dealt with lots of federal land managers in my life. The vast majority that I have met are educated beyond their ability to think.


I hear a lot of their EPA agents suffer from the same affliction.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby HDRider » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:32 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Dave wrote:
sim.-ang.king wrote:But if the federal government doesn't own it, and care for it, the evil states, and private citizens will do evil nasty things to it.


The federal government caring for it????? Do you know why you don't call the BLM to a kitchen fire? Because they would start a back fire in the living room.
I have dealt with lots of federal land managers in my life. The vast majority that I have met are educated beyond their ability to think.


I hear a lot of their EPA agents suffer from the same affliction.

Can you give us an example TT?
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:43 pm

HDRider wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Dave wrote:
The federal government caring for it????? Do you know why you don't call the BLM to a kitchen fire? Because they would start a back fire in the living room.
I have dealt with lots of federal land managers in my life. The vast majority that I have met are educated beyond their ability to think.


I hear a lot of their EPA agents suffer from the same affliction.

Can you give us an example TT?


Shouldn't have to. :D
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:49 pm

A friend of mine said that people complain about government employees sitting around doing nothing. He said that isn't the problem. If they did that it would just cost us their wages. The problem is they sit around thinking of things to justify their job. Those ideas become the problem.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby HDRider » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:44 am

Dave wrote:A friend of mine said that people complain about government employees sitting around doing nothing. He said that isn't the problem. If they did that it would just cost us their wages. The problem is they sit around thinking of things to justify their job. Those ideas become the problem.

And,, how to grow their budgets and staff.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby ddd75 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:54 am

HDRider wrote:
Dave wrote:A friend of mine said that people complain about government employees sitting around doing nothing. He said that isn't the problem. If they did that it would just cost us their wages. The problem is they sit around thinking of things to justify their job. Those ideas become the problem.

And,, how to grow their budgets and staff.

''

yep.. "hey, you know John, my good buddy? He's needs a job.. let's tell this idiots we need another levy for something and we'll all get a 10k raise and get john a job with us."
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby HDRider » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:57 am

ddd75 wrote:
HDRider wrote:
Dave wrote:A friend of mine said that people complain about government employees sitting around doing nothing. He said that isn't the problem. If they did that it would just cost us their wages. The problem is they sit around thinking of things to justify their job. Those ideas become the problem.

And,, how to grow their budgets and staff.

''

yep.. "hey, you know John, my good buddy? He's needs a job.. let's tell this idiots we need another levy for something and we'll all get a 10k raise and get john a job with us."

Think bigger, much, much bigger.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:22 am

There is a term for the concept:

Empire-building.

the practice of obtaining more power, responsibility, or staff within an organization for the purposes of (making more money).

It is rampant in government when budgets are flush. It also occurs in private corporations.

The General Schedule or GS personnel scale is predicated on level of responsibility. That translates to how many subordinates you have. If a manager aspires to a higher GS level (more money), they must add subordinates. There is an exception for non-managerial professionals, for example, a toxicologist, veterinarian, medical doctor, engineer, etc. Those positions have higher GS ratings that are not based on number of subordinates.

The means to control it have long been known. James Madison was known for coining the term - tighten the purse strings. Anyone who has sat on the inside (I have) is aware. If you have watched, administration after administration has failed to find the courage to truly reinvent government based on a model that controls waste.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby sim.-ang.king » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:12 pm

Bright Raven wrote:There is a term for the concept:

Empire-building.

the practice of obtaining more power, responsibility, or staff within an organization for the purposes of (making more money).

It is rampant in government when budgets are flush. It also occurs in private corporations.

The General Schedule or GS personnel scale is predicated on level of responsibility. That translates to how many subordinates you have. If a manager aspires to a higher GS level (more money), they must add subordinates. There is an exception for non-managerial professionals, for example, a toxicologist, veterinarian, medical doctor, engineer, etc. Those positions have higher GS ratings that are not based on number of subordinates.

The means to control it have long been known. James Madison was known for coining the term - tighten the purse strings. Anyone who has sat on the inside (I have) is aware. If you have watched, administration after administration has failed to find the courage to truly reinvent government based on a model that controls waste.

Ever since FDR the government has gone from running it like a business and working with what they take in, too trying to grow government on borrowed money and stolen land.
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