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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby cowgirl8 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:00 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:I believe the media propaganda has divided us as much if not more so since the civil war.
There is 24 hours a day of opinion to ones leanings not news.
Critical thinking doesn’t fit in today’s society.

I totally agree. There is no news anymore. And, although a lot of people weren't happy about Obama getting elected, I believe that the conservative news channels were civil those 8 years. Maybe not positive, but, they stayed civil. What the libs don't understand is most of what was spread about Obama was from the internet. And since it was aired there, it could have come from anyone anywhere in the world, which I know it did most times. They've confused how they learned idiotic things said about Obama, and since the libs pretty much control everything we see on TV, they've taken their 'oh yeah' lash backs on the airwaves. From news shows, to comedy acts, to commercials spewing lies, news exaggerations, and disrespect....You can not pull up a single SNL and see something compared what is done to Trump, or Bush, specially Barbara Bush to Obama. They may have had one skit around him, but it was to make fun of a conservative... Its a shame and i'm glad to see many now being called out the hypocrite they are.. couldn't stand Franken...his fall made me smile most of all....
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby TexasBred » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:I was just pointing out a fact, same as I did about diesel fuel. It doesn't matter to me what or how y'all think, the fact is I'm right.

So we should have shot two million "loyalist" behind the ear. Doesn't sound productive to me.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby HDRider » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:17 pm

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HDRider wrote:Fake news is real


Perception is reality.

The National Council for Excellence in Critical Thinking defines critical thinking as an “intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action.” The process tends to help us judge and evaluate situations based on understanding the related data, analyze it, build a clear understanding of the problem, choose the proper solution, and take actions based on the established solution.

Analyzing and synthesizing information gathered via communication becomes a real challenge in today's climate. Takes tremendous time and effort to process truth from fiction.

Like I said, fake news is real
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby HDRider » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:18 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
bball wrote:
HDRider wrote:Fake news is real


Perception is reality.




The truth is not as much a force as the perception of the truth is.

I don't buy that BS. Real is real. Fake is fake. True is true. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby True Grit Farms » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:21 pm

The reason this country is divided like it is, is because of the loyalists towards England. That's a lot of wasted bullets, maybe having them swim back to England wluld of been the ticket.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby bball » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:26 pm

HDRider wrote:
bball wrote:
HDRider wrote:Fake news is real


Perception is reality.

The National Council for Excellence in Critical Thinking defines critical thinking as an “intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action.” The process tends to help us judge and evaluate situations based on understanding the related data, analyze it, build a clear understanding of the problem, choose the proper solution, and take actions based on the established solution.

Analyzing and synthesizing information gathered via communication becomes a real challenge in today's climate. Takes tremendous time and effort to process truth from fiction.

Like I said, fake news is real


I agree with you on this HD. My statement helps support why fake news is so effective..at least that was my intent.

What people perceive, in fact, becomes their reality..regardless if it's fake, objective, truth or falsehoods. This is why its vital to decelop effective critical thinking skills. Not sure if im explaining it appropriately.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:38 pm

HDRider wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
bball wrote:
Perception is reality.




The truth is not as much a force as the perception of the truth is.

I don't buy that BS. Real is real. Fake is fake. True is true. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.


Depends on who you are and your culture!

Christianity is a lie to a Muslim.
Islam is a lie to a Christian.
Eating pork is wrong to a Muslim.
Eating pork is right to a Christian.

You want me to go on? Those may not be good examples but you get the idea.

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Cultural Relativism is the view that moral or ethical systems, which vary from culture to culture, are all equally valid and no one system is really “better” than any other. This is based on the idea that there is no ultimate standard of good or evil, so every judgment about right and wrong is a product of society.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:45 pm

TexasBred wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:I was just pointing out a fact, same as I did about diesel fuel. It doesn't matter to me what or how y'all think, the fact is I'm right.

So we should have shot two million "loyalist" behind the ear. Doesn't sound productive to me.


It must be lonely in there.
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crazy.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby backhoeboogie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:55 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:I was just pointing out a fact, same as I did about diesel fuel. It doesn't matter to me what or how y'all think, the fact is I'm right.

So we should have shot two million "loyalist" behind the ear. Doesn't sound productive to me.


It must be lonely in there.
Grit paranoia will kill you or drive you
crazy.


You hit the nail on the head earlier. Don't get side tracked.

If its Jennifer Flower the media paints her as a tramp. If its someone else they want to accuse and cast doubt as a political candidate, they go the other way. All we really know is the picture the media paints. They've got too much influence and people buy in to their spin way to easily.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby ga.prime » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:07 pm

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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bestoutwest » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:25 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:I was just pointing out a fact, same as I did about diesel fuel. It doesn't matter to me what or how y'all think, the fact is I'm right.


No, you are not right. I'm sure some very good people supported England. And with as conservative as you are, you probably would have done the same. I know how you'll answer that, but we all know you hate change. So, when you become the guy with the differing opinion, Grit, should one take you out and put the ole' .22 behind the ear? Eradicate you from society for the betterment of the whole?
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bestoutwest » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:28 pm

HDRider wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
bball wrote:
Perception is reality.




The truth is not as much a force as the perception of the truth is.

I don't buy that BS. Real is real. Fake is fake. True is true. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.



You ever see these "really pretty" superstars without makeup? It's all about perception. No make up, they're prison pretty. Make up on they're spectacular. News can be manipulated the same way, unfortunately, and the masses are buying it hook, line and sinker.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby ga.prime » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:38 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:You ever see these "really pretty" superstars without makeup? It's all about perception. No make up, they're prison pretty. Make up on they're spectacular. News can be manipulated the same way, unfortunately, and the masses are buying it hook, line and sinker.

No, I never saw any of them without makeup and don't want to. You're the manipulated one. How do you know what the masses are buying? Your opinion and commentary is bullsheet to the seventh power.
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby Bestoutwest » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:52 pm

ga.prime wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:You ever see these "really pretty" superstars without makeup? It's all about perception. No make up, they're prison pretty. Make up on they're spectacular. News can be manipulated the same way, unfortunately, and the masses are buying it hook, line and sinker.

No, I never saw any of them without makeup and don't want to. You're the manipulated one. How do you know what the masses are buying? Your opinion and commentary is bullsheet to the seventh power.


And what makes you the ultimate authority on issues?
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Re: Trump returning public lands in Utah

Postby sim.-ang.king » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:09 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
HDRider wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:

The truth is not as much a force as the perception of the truth is.

I don't buy that BS. Real is real. Fake is fake. True is true. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.


Depends on who you are and your culture!

Christianity is a lie to a Muslim.
Islam is a lie to a Christian.
Eating pork is wrong to a Muslim.
Eating pork is right to a Christian.

You want me to go on? Those may not be good examples but you get the idea.

Reference:
Cultural Relativism is the view that moral or ethical systems, which vary from culture to culture, are all equally valid and no one system is really “better” than any other. This is based on the idea that [b]there is no ultimate standard of good or evil, so every judgment about right and wrong is a product of society. [/b]

The truth is still the truth no matter what your liberal moral or cultural relativism says. If you say "there is no true truth", you are saying there is truth through making a true statement. Unless what you say is false, then your false statement would mean there is truth. So there must be truth, and if there is truth, there must also be what could be judged as right and wrong. If there is right and wrong, there has to be a ultimate standard. Without an ultimate standard not even society would be able to judge right from wrong.
Then the question becomes not "what is truth?", or "all truth is equally true", but what is the ultimate standard that society would define truth by. For if there was no ultimate standard for society to define truth by, society could not judge right from wrong, and you would end up not having a society at all.

So what is the ultimate standard for which society judges?
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