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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Caustic Burno » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:26 pm

D2Cat wrote:In about 1980 I remember reading a book, "Psycho-Feedback", by Paul Thomas. I also remember writing down something he had in the book because it seemed so true to me in my experiences. "When your imagination and your willpower are in conflict, your imagination always wins."

Why can't we lose weight, maybe because we keep imagining how good the food looks and taste and want just one more bite.

I think of the friendly neighbor who never does anything wrong, always seems helpful. He's up on the ladder painting a house. The kids get out of school, and he notices them as they walk by. If his mind drifts on thinking of illicit activities with those young girls, he has to (one) recognize it is improper, (two) turn his focus in another direction....back to painting or something. If he continues each day he's on that ladder to wait, look forward to, and focus on what he know he shouldn't. How long is it before he follows through on his thoughts?

If youngsters don't get direction so they know what is proper to do and think in our society, if they see continued violence whether in person or on TV they are soon focused on the wrong thing and eventually act it out.

DNA no doubt is who we are, but we have the ability to focus on what direction our mind wonders. Those that are let to wonder will eventually be on the wrong path. The family is who should control that young mind to give it proper direction and approval.



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Re: Another school shooting

Postby OwnedByTheCow » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:02 pm

dieselbeef wrote:if a casino can have a full time guy in a control room watching every move of every person why cant we ahave that same job guarding a school with a panic button for lockdowns


They do for my high school. They call it a resource officer. But she can't be everywhere at once.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:07 pm

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dieselbeef wrote:if a casino can have a full time guy in a control room watching every move of every person why cant we ahave that same job guarding a school with a panic button for lockdowns


They do for my high school. They call it a resource officer. But she can't be everywhere at once.


They had a segment on local TV out of Lexington. Lots of schools in Kentucky are now totally monitored full time during class hours.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby dieselbeef » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:34 pm

they don't need to be..we have resource officers..i mean a dedicated control room like in a casino. Cameras and lockdown buttons ..once yer inside ya cant get out. Or if they see ya coming they can lock you in the hallways or the room yer in or where ever with no way out
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby greybeard » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:43 am

If not already posted, this is an interesting look into the shooters home life since last November and a little before that. Sounds like for at least the last 3 months he was in a home setting of caring nurturing parents. Before that, with breifly with the family in Lantana, not much is known, but it's apparent he didn't really trust them.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... y,amp.html
From our view of things, as much older adults, we justifiably see this as a heinous murder of 17 children, but from the shooter's view, they were simply his peers, (ages 14-19) as well the 3 adult school employees.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:56 am

Bottom line is he's a murderer and needs to be treated as such. There's no possible explanation or reason for what this person did he needs killing now. Give him a speedy trial tomorrow morning and hang him in the afternoon. I'd hate to be a victim of this massacre and see his face on the news, or listen to excuses of why he killed my kids.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:03 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Bottom line is he's a murderer and needs to be treated as such. There's no possible explanation or reason for what this person did he needs killing now. Give him a speedy trial tomorrow morning and hang him in the afternoon. I'd hate to be a victim of this massacre and see his face on the news, or listen to excuses of why he killed my kids.


Florida has capital punishment via lethal injection or electrocution. There is a story - not sure if it is credible - that his legal counsel has proposed a guilty plea in exchange for avoiding the death penalty. I suspect the state will seek the death penalty unless they fear he might be found insane.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:19 am

Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Bottom line is he's a murderer and needs to be treated as such. There's no possible explanation or reason for what this person did he needs killing now. Give him a speedy trial tomorrow morning and hang him in the afternoon. I'd hate to be a victim of this massacre and see his face on the news, or listen to excuses of why he killed my kids.


Florida has capital punishment via lethal injection or electrocution. There is a story - not sure if it is credible - that his legal counsel has proposed a guilty plea in exchange for avoiding the death penalty. I suspect the state will seek the death penalty unless they fear he might be found insane.

The kids were telling me that yesterday that the punk is scared to die but willing to kill? I don't give 2 craps if he's insane he murdered a bunch of kids for absolutely no reason. Electrocution is how they put my uncles murderer down after 21 years in Florida.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:23 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Bottom line is he's a murderer and needs to be treated as such. There's no possible explanation or reason for what this person did he needs killing now. Give him a speedy trial tomorrow morning and hang him in the afternoon. I'd hate to be a victim of this massacre and see his face on the news, or listen to excuses of why he killed my kids.


Florida has capital punishment via lethal injection or electrocution. There is a story - not sure if it is credible - that his legal counsel has proposed a guilty plea in exchange for avoiding the death penalty. I suspect the state will seek the death penalty unless they fear he might be found insane.

The kids were telling me that yesterday that the punk is scared to die but willing to kill? I don't give 2 craps if he's insane he murdered a bunch of kids for absolutely no reason. Electrocution is how they put my uncles murderer down after 21 years in Florida.


I understand your feelings but he will be trialed and tried pursuant to the Constitution and the laws of Florida.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby dieselbeef » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:45 am

yeah too bad..im with true grit..why bother with a trial or anything else..no question what he did..or that it was him...shame the cops didnt just kill him....why do we need a trial or keep him in prison...timothy mcviegh aint tellin his story is he
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:50 am

dieselbeef wrote:....why do we need a trial or keep him in prison...


His crimes are heinous.

I would answer your question thusly:

Because we are a nation that honors the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States guarantees him the same rights we all enjoy.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby greybeard » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:53 am

It's my understanding, that he will plead guilty in exchange for the death penalty being "off the table".
The State of Florida has not made any statement agreeing to that.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

And, the falling thru the cracks thing has begun.
Finkelstein said there are several aspects of Cruz’s life that could be raised to persuade a jury to spare his life, including an autism diagnosis that has been reported by people close to the shooter but not officially confirmed.

“This kid didn’t have to fall through the cracks. He screamed for help, and we failed him,” Finkelstein said . “He should never go free. Let him plead guilty and send him to prison for life.”


Someday maybe, we will accept that some people are just predisposed to taking life, have no qualms about it and act on mankind's centuries' old instinctive violent history.

This, is from an old fictitious TV show, but it's pretty accurate imo. Those who believe otherwise are simply deluding themselves:

(from another species to a human) We're a killer species. It's instinctive. It's the same with you.....
(Reply by the human): All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill (pause) ..... today.


We don't 'become' killers, we ARE killers, naturally. Most repress the instinct when it comes to our own kind, but all are certainly capable of killing one another, and again, those that say otherwise are very much in denial simply to make themselves feel good about themselves, and it makes no difference whether it is up close and personal or at distance, whether directed to or done by one's own accord.

We have laws against it of course, man made and otherwise and I fully support them ,but laws and instinct very often collide in opposition.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:06 am

Bright Raven wrote:
dieselbeef wrote:....why do we need a trial or keep him in prison...


His crimes are heinous.

I would answer your question thusly:

Because we are a nation that honors the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States guarantees him the same rights we all enjoy.

When was the Constitution changed? Cold blooded murderers we killed in the old days, along with cattle and horse thieves. The problem started around the turn of the century when there became to many Lawyers. You must be a real low life scum bag to agree to represent someone like this kid. If Lawyers had any code of ethics no one would agree to represent this murderer.
Greybeard, there's a big difference in killing and murder, which I'm sure you know.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:11 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
dieselbeef wrote:....why do we need a trial or keep him in prison...


His crimes are heinous.

I would answer your question thusly:

Because we are a nation that honors the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States guarantees him the same rights we all enjoy.

When was the Constitution changed? Cold blooded murderers we killed in the old days, along with cattle and horse thieves. The problem started around the turn of the century when there became to many Lawyers. You must be a real low life scum bag to agree to represent someone like this kid. If Lawyers had any code of ethics no one would agree to represent this murderer.
Greybeard, there's a big difference in killing and murder, which I'm sure you know.


It has been amended 27 times to answer your first question.

Because vigilantes took the law into their own hands does not mean the Constitution condones it.
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Re: Another school shooting

Postby greybeard » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:16 am

Greybeard, there's a big difference in killing and murder, which I'm sure you know.

Legally and probably morally, but instinctively, there is no difference. We have invented the difference to..
simply make ourselves feel good about ourselves
as part of a 'civilized' society, but in the bigger scheme of things, it hasn't been that long ago we practiced our own form of genocide, and of course, abortion is now legal and mostly accepted.
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