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Points on barbed wire

Postby JW IN VA » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:08 pm

Most of the barbed wire I've seen used in my area is either 4 point Gaucho Hi Tensile 15.5 gauge or Red Brand 12 gauge with the hi tensile type becoming more popular.I haven't seen much 2 point wire of either type.
Is this regional thing or,for those who use 2 point,what is the advantage?
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:17 pm

Two point is typically woven in between the two strands of line wire, and 4 point is not. The simple advantage is cost. 2 point weighs less, since there is less steel, which equates to a cheaper wire. I suppose the argument could be made that an interwoven barb couldn't slip, but a well made reverse twist 4 point won't slip, either. Based on what I've seen and heard the past couple of years, 14 gauge HT 4 point is quickly becoming the new standard of barbed wire.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby TexasBred » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:20 pm

All of my fence is 2 point and I'd guess that 99% of the other fences in the area are the same. hardly any gaucho used though.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby greybeard » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:20 pm

I never used it except once when I picked up a couple rolls of 2pt by mistake, but maybe it is a little cheaper?...not enough to me to make any real difference in cost/ft tho.
(Just quickly looking at Bekaert's 15.5ga gaucho wire, the 2pt is $5/roll HIGHER at TSC, so it can't be a cost saving thing if those price comparisons hold true at other suppliers)
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby JW IN VA » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:06 pm

greybeard wrote:I never used it except once when I picked up a couple rolls of 2pt by mistake, but maybe it is a little cheaper?...not enough to me to make any real difference in cost/ft tho.
(Just quickly looking at Bekaert's 15.5ga gaucho wire, the 2pt is $5/roll HIGHER at TSC, so it can't be a cost saving thing if those price comparisons hold true at other suppliers)
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/catal ... pageSize:&

Yeah,I noticed that,too.The 2 pt isn't available here.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby JW IN VA » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:07 pm

Farm Fence Solutions wrote: Based on what I've seen and heard the past couple of years, 14 gauge HT 4 point is quickly becoming the new standard of barbed wire.

I been reading about it with interest.Not around here that I know of.What is the price difference?

I admit the old style low carbon wire was easier to splice and seemed to make a wire gap that was easier to use since it didn't curl up when opened.But,when stringing wire by yourself,you can't beat the Gaucho way of unrolling with that handy "T" spindle someone makes and TSC sells.360963399 is the sku.

New Farm Easy Fence Unroller.Sold by kencove and other suppliers,too.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:58 pm

https://www.farmfencesolutions.com/prod ... rse-twist/

Price depends on quantity. Stay Tuff also makes a 14 gauge HT that isn't bad wire, but it weighs several pounds less per roll for some reason.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Dave » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:22 pm

A couple years ago I bought a lot of wire to take over to the area of the Okanogan fires. The ranchers all used 2 point and that is what they wanted. The out let I bought it from sold it to me at cost because of where it was going. Their buyer told me that the 2 point cost them the same as 4 point. He said they sold the 4 point for more because people expect to pay more for it. This was on Red Brand wire. I very rarely see anyone using Gaucho wire. Western Washington is mostly 4 point wire. Eastern Washington is mostly 2 point wire. That could be because of the difference in size of the pastures. Westside is mainly 5 strand fences. Eastside is 4 strand and even lots of 3 strand fence.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Rafter S » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:39 am

As someone else said, the price on Gaucho is comparable between 2- or 4-point, so I suspect that's why not many people use the 2-point. I don't remember ever seeing any 4-point domestic wire.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:00 am

I hope that trend is not catching on. I hate 4pt wire more than net wrap. I don't use gaucho at all. Its not worth it. I have used some heavy gauge, high tensile wire before and liked it.

It cracks me up that people think 2 more points are going to deter a cow. I carry old rolls of barbless wire like you would use on an H-brace for patching now. Its so much easier to not mess with the barbs at all.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby JW IN VA » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:33 pm

Might have something to do with the humidity or air pollution here but low carbon wire rustd in just a few years.We put up some of our first hi-tensile barbed in 1985 and it's still not rusty.Some of the conventional wire which was put up at the same time has rusted long ago.The softer wire is much easier to work with.I can still splice it with just my hands and a pair of pliars on the main joint.Can do the hi tensile but can't make a nice job.

Rafter,it's funny how things differ.I've never seen but a little 2 point here.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Lucky » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:12 pm

Around here everyone uses 12g 2 point, rarely see 4 point and guacho is talked bad about. Allot of people are starting to use Stay tuff now days too. I’ve got several thousand feet to build now and am trying to talk myself into stay tuff.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby JW IN VA » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:06 pm

If you give it a chance,I think you'll like it in the long run.A little harder to install but turns cattle well and stays bright after the other has rusted.
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby greybeard » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:32 pm

Rafter S wrote: I don't remember ever seeing any 4-point domestic wire.

Really? I've bought lots of it even before we went fully to 4pt Bekeart Goucho..it's domestic too...made in Ky if I remember correctly..
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Re: Points on barbed wire

Postby Rafter S » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:55 am

greybeard wrote:
Rafter S wrote: I don't remember ever seeing any 4-point domestic wire.

Really? I've bought lots of it even before we went fully to 4pt Bekeart Goucho..it's domestic too...made in Ky if I remember correctly..


Maybe I just never paid attention.
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