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excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:55 pm
by Nesikep
Here's to show how much we use/overuse antibiotics in cattle around here

Unopened, expired in 2012... Had to go looking for it.. got a calf with the beginnings of navel ill
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Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:54 pm
by TCRanch
Well done! Did you go ahead & give it to the calf?

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:24 pm
by wbvs58
Nesi, some years ago I used some well out of date Trivetrin on a calf that was looking a bit swollen in joints, a couple of weeks later the skin started to die over the outside of one hind fetlock and inside of the other, that is they both would have been on the top and exposed to the sun when laid down. The skin eventually sloughed right down to the bone and also the joint capsule so open joint was exposed. I had to shoot it.

My suspicion was that the out of date Trivetrin had broken down and caused some photosensitization. I can vaguely recollect something about Sulphonimides causing photosensitization so maybe it broke down to a more primitive sulphonimide.

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:25 pm
by Bright Raven
I administer antibiotics only as a last resort. I am grateful when I do need them. I usually call my vet and discuss the circumstances before I administer an antibiotic. I have obtained some valuable information by the practice of talking with the vet or his technical associate before administering antibiotics. There are a number of different antibiotics and using the antibiotic that is tailored for the suspected pathogen is important. In some cases, an antibiotic is useless if the pathogen is a virus.

It is interesting how producers become a fan of one antibiotic. I know producers who use draxxin for every ailment. If a calf has a snotty nose, they get it up and administer draxxin. In practice, it takes a little bit more thought than that.

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:18 pm
by Nesikep
I'm not 'loyal' to any antibiotic, but I really can't afford to have a medicine cabinet properly stocked and keep thing in-date. We always keep everything in the fridge.. I have a bottle of Estrumate (lute) as well that I bought a few years ago but haven't used yet.. Vit AD, Selenium/E, Dex, LA200... With a better mineral program now I find myself not needing the vitamin shots as much.
Ken, I'll let you know if I see any photosensitization... Was the calf you dealt with white by chance?

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:02 pm
by RanchMan90
Bright Raven wrote:I administer antibiotics only as a last resort. I am grateful when I do need them. I usually call my vet and discuss the circumstances before I administer an antibiotic. I have obtained some valuable information by the practice of talking with the vet or his technical associate before administering antibiotics. There are a number of different antibiotics and using the antibiotic that is tailored for the suspected pathogen is important. In some cases, an antibiotic is useless if the pathogen is a virus.

It is interesting how producers become a fan of one antibiotic. I know producers who use draxxin for every ailment. If a calf has a snotty nose, they get it up and administer draxxin. In practice, it takes a little bit more thought than that.

What do you use for respiratory infections?

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:58 pm
by Nesikep
the trivetrin package lists it as recommended for pneumonia.. we originally got it to deal with scours

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:00 pm
by Bright Raven
RanchMan90 wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I administer antibiotics only as a last resort. I am grateful when I do need them. I usually call my vet and discuss the circumstances before I administer an antibiotic. I have obtained some valuable information by the practice of talking with the vet or his technical associate before administering antibiotics. There are a number of different antibiotics and using the antibiotic that is tailored for the suspected pathogen is important. In some cases, an antibiotic is useless if the pathogen is a virus.

It is interesting how producers become a fan of one antibiotic. I know producers who use draxxin for every ailment. If a calf has a snotty nose, they get it up and administer draxxin. In practice, it takes a little bit more thought than that.

What do you use for respiratory infections?


Draxxin is tailored for BRD ( bovine respiratory disease). But keep in mind that BRD is a complex of respiratory conditions in cattle caused by pathogenic bacteria, viruses and even parasites such as lungworms.

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Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:34 am
by wbvs58
Nesikep wrote:I'm not 'loyal' to any antibiotic, but I really can't afford to have a medicine cabinet properly stocked and keep thing in-date. We always keep everything in the fridge.. I have a bottle of Estrumate (lute) as well that I bought a few years ago but haven't used yet.. Vit AD, Selenium/E, Dex, LA200... With a better mineral program now I find myself not needing the vitamin shots as much.
Ken, I'll let you know if I see any photosensitization... Was the calf you dealt with white by chance?


No Nesi, black Angus.

Ken

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:12 am
by BK9954
Keep mine stocked, I work so many hours running to the vet is not an option sometimes. I dont have prescription so for anything past pinkeye or non critical I have no choice but to use the vet. I give LA 300 before I haul them in. Draxxin isnt cheap.

Re: excessive antibiotic use

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:54 am
by Nesikep
BK9954 wrote:Keep mine stocked, I work so many hours running to the vet is not an option sometimes. I dont have prescription so for anything past pinkeye or non critical I have no choice but to use the vet. I give LA 300 before I haul them in. Draxxin isnt cheap.

it's about a 4 hour trip for me to get to the vet and back... I have to stock some of the basics, though I don't use them very often.