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Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:02 am
by True Grit Farms
jedstivers wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
kentuckyguy wrote:My directions call for 1.5 oz of 10% concentrate per gallon of water. I didn't end up mixing in any oil.


It will still kill the flies just won't stay as long. I make a pour on with 1gal corn oil, 6.5oz pbo8, and 6.5oz permethrin it's a generic for ultra boss. It'll keep flies off for a few weeks, sometimes longer.

I did a mix like that this weekend with lambda-cy.
Used a little higher rate of lambda though.
Poured it on their backs, got some on me and it ate me up for 2 days. Usually lambda only burns for a day.


Jed, I thought you were supposed to use less Lambda Cy than Permethrin? This is off label but mixing a little Baythoid doesn't hurt either.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:57 pm
by jedstivers
True Grit Farms wrote:
jedstivers wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
It will still kill the flies just won't stay as long. I make a pour on with 1gal corn oil, 6.5oz pbo8, and 6.5oz permethrin it's a generic for ultra boss. It'll keep flies off for a few weeks, sometimes longer.

I did a mix like that this weekend with lambda-cy.
Used a little higher rate of lambda though.
Poured it on their backs, got some on me and it ate me up for 2 days. Usually lambda only burns for a day.


Jed, I thought you were supposed to use less Lambda Cy than Permethrin? This is off label but mixing a little Baythoid doesn't hurt either.

I like to be sure and get them.
I'll change to baythroid later. I swap up a lot.
Also Imidacloprid is good for ticks.
It's safe for dogs. I spray them with it and permethrin. Don't use lambda on dogs, I do spray their beds with it.
Also don't use lambda on horses.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:20 pm
by garyws
Douglas wrote:works fine. It might spook them at first. So you need them shut up in a small pen so you can finish.
Problem is rain washing it off. I use a rub now where premethrin is mixed with diesel. The have to go under it to get to the minerals.


I would NOT use diesel in the permethrin mix. Use mineral oil, organic oil, or even vegetable oil. For label instructions see https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_se ... 130129.pdf

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:28 pm
by jedstivers
Diesel has been used for years and years. What's wrong with it now?

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:44 pm
by garyws
jedstivers wrote:Diesel has been used for years and years. What's wrong with it now?


First, diesel is not environmentally friendly to your farm or ranch. Secondly, it's not approved for use, per label. Thirdly, "years and years" ago today's recommended oils didn't exist. But...use what you want. I trust the experts. :tiphat:

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:01 pm
by garyws
Tomcolvin wrote:How much 10 percent permethrin do you add per gallon of diesel?


https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_se ... 130129.pdf

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:02 pm
by garyws
Tomcolvin wrote:How much 10% permethrin per gallon of diesel would you use?


https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_se ... 130129.pdf

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:09 pm
by True Grit Farms
garyws wrote:
jedstivers wrote:Diesel has been used for years and years. What's wrong with it now?


[b]First, diesel is not environmentally friendly to your farm or ranch.[/b] Secondly, it's not approved for use, per label. Thirdly, "years and years" ago today's recommended oils didn't exist. But...use what you want. I trust the experts. :tiphat:


Why's that? Diesel fuel is excellent to mix with herbicides and insecticides. The experts know what a book says and nothing about the real world uses of fuel and oil.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:12 pm
by Workinonit Farm
garyws wrote:
jedstivers wrote:Diesel has been used for years and years. What's wrong with it now?


First, diesel is not environmentally friendly to your farm or ranch. Secondly, it's not approved for use, per label. Thirdly, "years and years" ago today's recommended oils didn't exist. But...use what you want. I trust the experts. :tiphat:


The container of 10% Permethrin that I have, contained in the literature/instructions for use, it does list Diesel as one of the emulsifiers that can be used. I purchased this bottle, less than a week ago, so, post-2013.

(this does not necessarily mean that I will be using Diesel)

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:28 pm
by jedstivers
garyws wrote:
jedstivers wrote:Diesel has been used for years and years. What's wrong with it now?


First, diesel is not environmentally friendly to your farm or ranch. Secondly, it's not approved for use, per label. Thirdly, "years and years" ago today's recommended oils didn't exist. But...use what you want. I trust the experts. :tiphat:

Mineral oil and vegetable has been around all my life, 48 years.
Every product I've used in those years has diesle on the label. Maybe this one particular product your talking about doesn't, I don't know.
In all those years and years diesle hasn't been a unenvironmentally friendly product at all. I but it on the rub, not spray the entire farm with it.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:15 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
I mix diesel and gas to control weeds on my fence rows. Works great. I even spray it around ponds and wells.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:26 pm
by jedstivers
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I mix diesel and gas to control weeds on my fence rows. Works great. I even spray it around ponds and wells.

Burning old tires soaked in black oil helps keep the flies away too.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:41 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
jedstivers wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I mix diesel and gas to control weeds on my fence rows. Works great. I even spray it around ponds and wells.

Burning old tires soaked in black oil helps keep the flies away too.


Thanks for the tip, sure beats tossing them in the creek like we've been doing.

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:30 am
by M-5
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I mix diesel and gas to control weeds on my fence rows. Works great. I even spray it around ponds and wells.



I just park my tractor in a new spot every day with the fuel leaks and Hyd Oil leaks I don't have to cut grass around the barn.

Do you still pour used motor oil on fence post like we do ??

Re: Spraying 10% permethrin on cattle

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:12 am
by TennesseeTuxedo
M-5 wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I mix diesel and gas to control weeds on my fence rows. Works great. I even spray it around ponds and wells.



I just park my tractor in a new spot every day with the fuel leaks and Hyd Oil leaks I don't have to cut grass around the barn.

Do you still pour used motor oil on fence post like we do ??


I pour new and used.