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Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:53 pm
by Craig Miller
Ol' 243 wrote:
Craig Miller wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
If you have tender feelings you won't last long in the cattle business.
I don't need your prayers for giving you a dose of truth.
Cheaper to protect them than loose em
https://www.pbsanimalhealth.com/categor ... 71120.html


I reckon you ought to listen to what he's saying. He's got way more than 5 years in cows


And ???? The guy is trying to ask a question and learn something. Stop being a dick. He comes on here, ask a question, gets treated like shyt, and then you pile on him. WTF? Maybe we should ban him, give him CG8's phone number, and let him ask a pro.


He asked a question and he got an answer.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:38 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
Can this be Blackleg? I don't have any experience with it or know the symptoms?

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:54 pm
by Caustic Burno
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Can this be Blackleg? I don't have any experience with it or know the symptoms?


Doubtful due to age of the older cow.
Sounds more like BRD due to dry dusty conditions.
If you ever suspect blackleg feel the bag legs the muscles under the skin will feel like Fritos.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:08 pm
by TCRanch
Caustic Burno wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Can this be Blackleg? I don't have any experience with it or know the symptoms?


Doubtful due to age of the older cow.
Sounds more like BRD due to dry dusty conditions.
If you ever suspect blackleg feel the bag legs the muscles under the skin will feel left leg Fritos.

The most common "symptom" of Blackleg and other colostridial diseases is a dead animal. They're that fast. Fritos is a good analogy; it's like bubble wrap and pops. We lost a 2 month old calf to Clostridium Perfringens Type D (overeating disease) last year and this year a 2 month old calf looked like she had watery, clear scours, was still with the herd/nursing but we treated her anyway with Sustian III & drenched with electrolytes. Temp was normal but the thermometer came out bloody. Dead by the next morning. There was very little left of her (buzzards) but the vet suspected a colostridial disease. Passive immunity generally protects the calf up to around 3 months but clearly that's not always the case. Blackleg/clostridial diseases in adult cattle are uncommon.
That said, I agree with CB. Not sure where the OP is located but the weather has been weird this summer & a lot of ranchers around here have been battling pneumonia.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:10 pm
by TCRanch
P.S. rcoon: Thank you for your service!

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:26 pm
by farmerjan
I think that what CB said was not out of line. Maybe a bit blunt, but i sure would have a vet out to look at a 20 month old after just losing a younger calf. The OP asked for an opinion, CB gave it. The OP came back with what I thought was a bit of a smart aleck response for a new poster.....
My first reaction was Blackleg. And yes, have seen it in older animals on occasion. ESPECIALLY in unusual weather where there is a period of prolonged wet weather, and with excessive growth of grass. Had a serious problem last year with that Bovine edema that is caused by exceptional lush grass growth , but there were 4 that also showed signs of blackleg with the crackling under the skin and almost lost one to it.
We have usually thought that the dam's colostrum will protect them from blackleg for about 8 weeks.....but that is only if they have a good immune system and there hasn't been alot of wet weather. We now vaccinate all the cows that go through the chute at preg check for both Lepto and blackleg. BOTH KILLED Virus vaccines. It's cheap insurance. I do not use any modified live virus vaccines, and know I will get some flack from others on here, but just my preferences after some bad experiences in the past. That said, Lepto is a big problem here and blackleg is something we had some major problems with many years ago at one particular pasture, both are cheap, easy, and don't cause abortion problems and offer some passive response in the calves....so we do it.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:31 pm
by wacocowboy
Hope you get it figured out and get your cows right? Just curious what vaccines have you given?

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:58 am
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
OP is gone

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:28 am
by callmefence
I can't imagine why someone would sick the dog on a cow to "get her gut working"

CB should not have said stupid tax. Ignorant tax would have been more appropriate.

Possibly don't have a clue what your doing tax.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:51 pm
by ropinranger
he might've thought the cow was acting like a horse that is colic-ing; so, he thought get it moving to get the gut working...but, that is just a guess....

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:25 pm
by Banjo
I can see the logic. I have two dogs and I can't go a hundred yards on a tractor or 4 wheeler first thing of a morning and they gotta stop and take a poop.
Whats the first thing a cow does when it gets up after laying down for a while.... usually their bowels move.
Most animals when they get a little excited have to stop and do #2.
So I can see the reasoning.

Re: Losing Cattle? TX Beefmaster Need Help

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:39 pm
by slick4591
Ol' 243 wrote:And ???? The guy is trying to ask a question and learn something. Stop being a dick. He comes on here, ask a question, gets treated like shyt, and then you pile on him. WTF? Maybe we should ban him, give him CG8's phone number, and let him ask a pro.


This brings back memories of the way I got treated a few times when I first started here. Made me a little misty just thinking about it. :cry2: