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what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby ddd75 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:00 pm

seems like these herefords are going atleast a week or even 2 longer then they should. Springing and full milk and still going 1.5 weeks until birth. one just had one in the night and died. insides are on the ground but these lesion type things are all over the insides.. what could this be? I took some pics I''ll have to post.

anyway.. I heard some on here talking about a shot I can give to make them calve. What is it?
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby Nesikep » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:09 pm

Sounds like a uterine prolapse...
Dexamethasone is often used to induce, but I'd be careful with it.
If you can make them walk a little I find that helps
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:19 pm

Those are not lesions. The placenta attaches to the uterine wall by cotyledons. They give the appearance of a lesion. You are simply seeing the expelled placenta with the several cotyledons on it. I will try to find a stock picture and post it for you.

Which is a far cry better than it being a prolapsed uterus as Nesi suggested. My vet is adamant not to give drugs to induce partum unless it is an emergency.

Note reddish cotyledons.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby ddd75 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:42 pm

yep thats what it looked like.

they are walking everyday.. so big.. I just am not having good luck.. had to pull everyone and still have around 8 to go. calves are way too big.

She managed to get the calf out and she was out walking around alive. I was pretty surprised. I milked all the colostrum out of her and fed the baby. hopefully she'll make it through.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby angus9259 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:42 pm

Dex to induce. Lute to help them clean.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby angus9259 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:45 pm

Bright Raven wrote:My vet is adamant not to give drugs to induce partum unless it is an emergency.


I'm not a fan and only do it when I know I know when they are due. That said, always worked like a champ and never had a single ill effect. I use it when I need it and won't hesitate in the future.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby ddd75 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:58 pm

what could go wrong using it? how much do you give them.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby ohiosteve » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:01 pm

It's been many years, but I think Oxytocin is pretty safe and can help speed things up in your situation. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but it is cheap and might be worth a try.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby ddd75 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:46 pm

Oxytocin Injection may be recommended for obstetrical use in cows, horses, ewes, and sows, and to induce milk let-down in cows and sows. Because of the specific action of Oxytocin upon the uterine musculature, it is recommended as an aid to precipitate labor, accelerate normal parturition, for evacuation of postpartum uterine debris, or for postoperative contraction of the uterus. Oxytocin will contract the smooth muscle cells of the mammary gland to induce milk let-down if the udder is in a proper physiological state. Each ml of Oxytocin Injection contains 20 USP units oxytocin. Administer by SQ, IM, or IV route. The recommended dosage of Oxytocin for obstetrical use is 5 ml in cows and horses; 1.5-2.5 ml in ewes and sows. The recommended dosage for milk let-down is 0.5-1 ml in cows; 0.25-1 ml in sows. Oxytocin.


looks like that would work pretty well.


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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby Dempster » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:07 pm

It's pretty standard to include Lutylse with dexamethasone when inducing calving. Your biggest risk is inducing too early and having the cow deliver a pre-term calf. Dilation and milk let down are not perfect markers for determing when a calf is due. Dates determined by vets at a preg check should also not be relied on to be accurate down to a couple days if the preg check was done after about 4-5 months of pregnancy.

The other significant risk you run is retained placenta, you will see a much higher rate of these in induced cows. I think you need to ride it our with the remaining cows and go the c-section route if you get one that is too big. However, if these are all mature cows, it is pretty rare to need a c-section due just to calf size.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby MRRherefords » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:08 pm

We always include some lute in with the Dex.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby sim.-ang.king » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:04 am

I prefer oxytocin, because it will also make milking easier.

You can also squirt it up their nose to help with bonding.
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby Nesikep » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:22 am

sim.-ang.king wrote:
You can also squirt it up their nose to help with bonding.
Now you know...

never heard of that!


Problem is I don't think Oxytocin does much for dilation, so it can cause contractions without the calf having any place to go.. That's what I was told anyhow.. It seems that Dex or Dex/Lute is the more common, and there must be a reason for it.
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Postby Nesikep » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:23 am

Bright Raven wrote:Those are not lesions. The placenta attaches to the uterine wall by cotyledons. They give the appearance of a lesion. You are simply seeing the expelled placenta with the several cotyledons on it. I will try to find a stock picture and post it for you.

My bad, I thought the "insides were out".. didn't quite get the "on the ground" part of it
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Re: what do I give to make a cow give birth ?

Postby sim.-ang.king » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:26 pm

Nesikep wrote:
sim.-ang.king wrote:
You can also squirt it up their nose to help with bonding.
Now you know...

never heard of that!


Problem is I don't think Oxytocin does much for dilation, so it can cause contractions without the calf having any place to go.. That's what I was told anyhow.. It seems that Dex or Dex/Lute is the more common, and there must be a reason for it.


Yep, oxytocin is the hormone that causes bonding, and by going through the nose you get through the blood brain barrier quicker.
I'll see if I can find the article from Angus, that talked about it.
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