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Postby HDRider » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:56 pm

I been at this cattle thing for almost 2 years. Learned a lot, still learning every day, got a lot left to learn.

I have 30 momma cows, all bought as bred heifers, or open heifers bred to my registered Angus bull. All that went pretty good. I'll take luck over skill any day. My second calf crop is on the ground right now.

During this time I have been developing my vaccination program. Next week is my first round this year.

Here it is:
Calves 60 days old to vaccinate
..............................................Who.......................Times Per Year........Repeat
Tetanus antitoxin.........................Steers.........................1...................4 Weeks
Bar Vac 7...............Black Leg........All..............................1...................4 Weeks
Vira Shield 6...........Respiratory......Calves.........................2....................4 Weeks
Vira Shield 6 + VL5...Respiratory......Cows & Bulls..................2....................4 Weeks
Long Range............Wormer..........All..............................2....................4 Weeks
Custom Pinkeye...........................All.............................2....................4 Weeks
Fly Tags.....................................1 calves/2 for cows


This one round is a little over $1,0000. That is crazy.
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Postby M-5 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:11 pm

Its just the cost of doing business.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:18 pm

How much per animal HDRider? We used a white paste and Cydectin injectable wormer and averaged $9.00 a head, normally without the white paste wormer our adverage is less than $6.00 per head. I've never used the intranasal or pinkeye vaccines.

Calvary 9 = $49 for 50 dose
Triangle 10 = $93 for 50 dose
Safeguard paste = $126 for 1000 ml at 2.3 ml per 100lb
Cydectin injectable = $149 for 500 ml at 1 ml per 100lb

We only run 50 - 100 cows depending on the grass available. But we haven't lost a calf going on 2 years now, and so far haven't lost a cow...yet. And some of the trader cows I bring home are really thin.
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Postby bird dog » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:44 pm

I guess it has to do with your area on what you give but I don't give Tetanus, respiratory to cows and bulls, or Pinkeye. I go back and forth on fly tags but not using any this year. I use a cheaper (noromectin) injection wormer. The cows get it once a year, the calves at first work and weaning.

I have had one cow with pinkeye this year. I have never had a Tetanus problem that i am aware of. I band my bulls. My cows and bulls rarely get sick. If something looks wormy, I'll give it a another worming of something better quality.
I use IGR in my mineral and also spray for flys. Neither seemed to be working very good this year until about two weeks ago when the weather got hot and dry.
I took the vitamin package out of my mineral so I have been giving the cows a vitamin injection instead. Not real expensive. I also have some multimin in stock to use as needed but its expired.
I kind of take to heart what Lucky the vet says that after a cow is 5 or 6 years old, they don't need much if they look to be in good shape.

I worry about anaplasmosis more than anything.
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:47 pm

We have a work up of all the spring calves in late April to mid May each year. This year we did it on May 15th. We work all the calves and give them their first round of shots. They will get a second round of shots when then are brought up in the fall for weaning. We have never given a booster shot.

I have a message in for my vet now as to why he doesn't come back and administer a booster. It would be money in his pocket to do so.
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Postby wbvs58 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:21 pm

I suspect it is a typo error but tet antitoxin is only needed at time of castration if they have not had any prior vaccination, certainly doesn't need a 4 wk follow up. I am not familiar with your vaccines but would suspect the clostridial vaccine (blackleg) would contain the tetanus toxoid.

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Postby Dave » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:10 am

I wondered why you are giving long range and them repeating it. Also you are giving enough vaccine that you need to shop around. There can be significant differences in price for the same product.
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Postby sstterry » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:31 am

True Grit Farms wrote:How much per animal HDRider? We used a white paste and Cydectin injectable wormer and averaged $9.00 a head, normally without the white paste wormer our adverage is less than $6.00 per head. I've never used the intranasal or pinkeye vaccines.

Calvary 9 = $49 for 50 dose
Triangle 10 = $93 for 50 dose
Safeguard paste = $126 for 1000 ml at 2.3 ml per 100lb
Cydectin injectable = $149 for 500 ml at 1 ml per 100lb

We only run 50 - 100 cows depending on the grass available. But we haven't lost a calf going on 2 years now, and so far haven't lost a cow...yet. And some of the trader cows I bring home are really thin.


True Grit, I am still learning, what is the purpose of the Safeguard Paste and the Cydectin. What is the added benefit?
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Re: This is crazy

Postby sstterry » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:37 am

I think I found the Answer, lungworms,intestinal worms and stomach worms. Is that correct?
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Re: This is crazy

Postby ChrisB » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:54 am

Also, maybe a typo, but the Virashield I believe after the first 2 shots 4 weeks apart is just 1 shot annually.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:31 pm

sstterry wrote:I think I found the Answer, lungworms,intestinal worms and stomach worms. Is that correct?


Yes that's one of the benefits, also using an injectable and paste at the same time has a 99% kill rate and no resistance issues. Everyone using the cheap and easy to use ivermectin pour - on wormer has caused resistance issues.
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Postby Ebenezer » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:35 pm

also using an injectable and paste at the same time has a 99% kill rate and no resistance issues

Where'd you get that? 1% survival = resistance.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
also using an injectable and paste at the same time has a 99% kill rate and no resistance issues

Where'd you get that? 1% survival = resistance.


We took a cattle parasite class through UGA. The study is now 2 years old, but it's the best technique available for the treatment and prevention of resistance in cattle parasites.
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Postby snoopdog » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:52 pm

No respiratory to bulls, virashield and booster for everyone else , then annually for the cows . Combine toxoid and blackleg, and forget pinkeye vac if you're gonna flytag, or flytag and forget the pinkeye shot, not even gonna get into the wormer . I will be waiting on the check you send for the savings , 10% will be fine . :lol2:
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:14 am

I band at birth, so don't use any Tetanus
If you are vaccinating your cows, why not use a MLV for cows & calves? Cheaper and better protection. Does not need booster. Just have to make sure you vaccinate cows every 12 months at least 30 days prior to breeding.
Long Range is the most expensive de-wormer out there. Mature cows really don't need de-worming, so I sure wouldn't use an expensive product on them. I do believe in using two diff. wormers for calves. I use the dreaded pour-on plus Valbazen to get tapeworms.
I don't use Pinkeye vaccine. Don't think they are very good, and we have very little problem with it.
Don't use fly tags, but don't have a lot of fly problem in NY.

Health programs are expensive, but treating an animal for a health issue is a LOT MORE expensive. And if you have to treat, they generally respond quicket/better if vaccinated.
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