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Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:19 pm

Below is a picture of the navel area of a 9 month old bull calf. He is standing facing the left. There is lime on the ground under him and he has been laying in a loafing barn where it has gotten muddy.

The sac in front of the prepuce is the size of an orange. Upon palpation, it was solid. Not fluid or soft tissue. The sac can be pulled away from the midline of the abdomen. While doing so, I palpated the abdominal wall for an orifice. There did not appear to be an orifice - the abdominal wall appeared uncompromised. I could feel the button scar formed where the umbilical cord came through the abdominal wall.

I am going to have a vet examine him in the near future. Any guesses on what the diagnosis might be?
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:58 pm

Hernia?
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:00 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:Hernia?


Looks like it. But no orifice and the sac is solid.
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:09 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:Hernia?


Looks like it. But no orifice and the sac is solid.


I had one on a heifer calf last year. Not nearly as big, maybe the size of a ping pong ball. I diagnosed it as a hernia. But that’s just cause I didn’t know what else to diagnose it as :lol2:
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:13 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:Hernia?


Looks like it. But no orifice and the sac is solid.


I had one on a heifer calf last year. Not nearly as big, maybe the size of a ping pong ball. I diagnosed it as a hernia. But that’s just cause I didn’t know what else to diagnose it as :lol2:


In an umbilical hernia, the intestines drop or are forced through a "hole" in the abdominal wall, thus entering the naval pouch. I did not feel an opening and the pouch is hard, like a tumor not like the soft feel of intestines. Don't misunderstand. I don't know what this is. That is why in the near future, I am having a vet examine it.
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Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:28 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Looks like it. But no orifice and the sac is solid.


I had one on a heifer calf last year. Not nearly as big, maybe the size of a ping pong ball. I diagnosed it as a hernia. But that’s just cause I didn’t know what else to diagnose it as :lol2:


In an umbilical hernia, the intestines drop or are forced through a "hole" in the abdominal wall, thus entering the naval pouch. I did not feel an opening and the pouch is hard, like a tumor not like the soft feel of intestines. Don't misunderstand. I don't know what this is. That is why in the near future, I am having a vet examine it.


Ron, this is worth exactly what it’s gonna cost you. I mentioned the “knot” on the heifer calf to a local vet. He mentioned that it could be the result from a previous infection. That’s about as forthcoming as he was as he is a moody old fart sometimes. Scar tissue? I’m interested in what you find out.
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:31 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:
I had one on a heifer calf last year. Not nearly as big, maybe the size of a ping pong ball. I diagnosed it as a hernia. But that’s just cause I didn’t know what else to diagnose it as :lol2:


In an umbilical hernia, the intestines drop or are forced through a "hole" in the abdominal wall, thus entering the naval pouch. I did not feel an opening and the pouch is hard, like a tumor not like the soft feel of intestines. Don't misunderstand. I don't know what this is. That is why in the near future, I am having a vet examine it.


Ron, this is worth exactly what it’s gonna cost you. I mentioned the “knot” on the heifer calf to a local vet. He mentioned that it could be the result from a previous infection. That’s about as forthcoming as he was as he is a moody old fart sometimes. Scar tissue? I’m interested in what you find out.


This is a seedstock bull. I have to find out and decide on his disposition.
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Postby Nesikep » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:42 pm

Whatever it is, the cure is always the same :hide:
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby M-5 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:08 pm

A cyst . It will need to be drained or leave it be and it will drain on it's on when ready. Most likely from a injury , piece of wire or stick poked a hole and it got infected.
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Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:20 pm

M-5 wrote:A cyst . It will need to be drained or leave it be and it will drain on it's on when ready. Most likely from a injury , piece of wire or stick poked a hole and it got infected.


That is more likely than the hernia even though it does look like an umbilical hernia, it does not feel like a hernia. That would be a better outcome.

Stay tuned for the results - might be a couple weeks.
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:36 pm

Good job explaining circumstances, although I would not keep for seedstock as appears he has a foot going in the
wrong direction, so I assume a rear leg was put on backwards... a trait like that should be culled from the herd. :)
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:45 pm

Son of Butch wrote:Good job explaining circumstances, although I would not keep for seedstock as appears he has a foot going in the
wrong direction, so I assume a rear leg was put on backwards... a trait like that should be culled from the herd. :)


I was going to explain that. Lol
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby TCRanch » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:32 pm

Nesikep wrote:Whatever it is, the cure is always the same :hide:
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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby wbvs58 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:40 pm

Ron, I am pretty sure it is an umbilical hernia, intestines are only involved very rarely and they have to be a big one. Usually it is only the falciform fat that finds its way down there and it can get strangulated off as the animal matures and the muscle tightens up and the hernial ring closes up hence you can't find the hernial ring.

I had one like that a few years ago and I slit up between hernia and prepuce to give a bit of bite for one of those heavy duty elastrator bands to get around it. It came off in about 10 days then the wound healed up quickly giving a smooth profile to the belly.

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Re: Guess the Diagnosis

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:07 pm

wbvs58 wrote:Ron, I am pretty sure it is an umbilical hernia, intestines are only involved very rarely and they have to be a big one. Usually it is only the falciform fat that finds its way down there and it can get strangulated off as the animal matures and the muscle tightens up and the hernial ring closes up hence you can't find the hernial ring.

I had one like that a few years ago and I slit up between hernia and prepuce to give a bit of bite for one of those heavy duty elastrator bands to get around it. It came off in about 10 days then the wound healed up quickly giving a smooth profile to the belly.

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I want to confirm this - you are saying the umbilical ring has closed, therefore, why I did not find an orifice. Correct? Therefore, the prognosis would be good. All I need to do is have the vet deal with the mass. The important point is - You are suggesting the abdominal wall is not defective!!!
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