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Re: Flies

Postby elkwc » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:59 am

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Dogs and Cows wrote:I usually use Ultra Boss and have pretty good luck with the flies...so I thought I'd change it up a little and got some Cyclence...not been very happy with its performance at all. Actually, I think I saw the flies on a cows back drinking the stuff to get drunk LOL! I hate flies!

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I was rotating between Ultra Boss and Ultra Saber. Now I’m buying concentrated sprays with their active ingredients and mixing with mineral oil. So far has worked well and a lot cheaper. Less than $50.00 to spray 190 had including calves. I try to rotate at least every 3rd time I spray. When using the premixed sprays it costs over $150.00 depending on what I used.

Having tried both. we use diesel instead of mineral oil. Cheaper, lasts longer, works better. Downside: cows can smell it more and try to get away.


What kind of time frame are you getting between sprays using diesel. We don't use it because of the smell and it leaves spots on anything it contacts. And if you aren't careful you smell like diesel also. We get 2-3 weeks of good control between sprays. It depends on how much rain we get during that period. Around here haven't heard of any better from those using diesel. So curious what time frame you are seeing.
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Re: Flies

Postby slick4591 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:31 am

I've asked this question before but can't find the answer after searching. It seems I can't get but a couple uses from a sprayer after using diesel. What sprayer will hold up to diesel?
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Re: Flies

Postby sstterry » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:31 pm

slick4591 wrote:I've asked this question before but can't find the answer after searching. It seems I can't get but a couple uses from a sprayer after using diesel. What sprayer will hold up to diesel?

I have been using just a normal cheap plastic one for the past year and it still works fine. It does leak on my hands some, but like I said it is a cheap one.
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Re: Flies

Postby slick4591 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:39 pm

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slick4591 wrote:I've asked this question before but can't find the answer after searching. It seems I can't get but a couple uses from a sprayer after using diesel. What sprayer will hold up to diesel?

I have been using just a normal cheap plastic one for the past year and it still works fine. It does leak on my hands some, but like I said it is a cheap one.


Can't get more than a couple uses out of the ones I'm buying. They get to where they won't hold any pressure.
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Re: Flies

Postby sstterry » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:42 pm

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slick4591 wrote:I've asked this question before but can't find the answer after searching. It seems I can't get but a couple uses from a sprayer after using diesel. What sprayer will hold up to diesel?

I have been using just a normal cheap plastic one for the past year and it still works fine. It does leak on my hands some, but like I said it is a cheap one.


Can't get more than a couple uses out of the ones I'm buying. They get to where they won't hold any pressure.

I have found that before every use that I have to make sure all the seals are tight because they do loosen due to the diesel.
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Re: Flies

Postby bird dog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:19 pm

You can get a solvent resistant sprayer but they are expensive and get just as nasty. I use the cheap ones from TSC or Atwoods. The Atwoods ones seem to be a little better. Back the pressure off when finished sometimes helps.

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Postby slick4591 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:37 pm

I always relieve the pressure when finished but I'm told the diesel is the problem. I'll look into the one at Home Depot. Thanks!
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Re: Flies

Postby bird dog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:06 pm

Slick, I am not recommending that one or any one for that matter, I'm just giving you an option. I have never used one on cattle, just mesquites. The last one I used that could handle diesel got pretty nasty after a dozen or so uses. I don't use them as much as I use to but now I use a cheap one for a few gallons and when it starts spraying me, it goes in the burn pile. I never liked keeping one over the winter.

When they go on sale for about $10, I'll buy two or three. I always have a few spare parts around and a extra wand or two.
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Re: Flies

Postby True Grit Farms » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:15 pm

When your finished rinse them out with a little Dawn soap. Bleach will eat the O rings out also.
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Re: Flies

Postby boondocks » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:18 pm

elkwc wrote:
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I was rotating between Ultra Boss and Ultra Saber. Now I’m buying concentrated sprays with their active ingredients and mixing with mineral oil. So far has worked well and a lot cheaper. Less than $50.00 to spray 190 had including calves. I try to rotate at least every 3rd time I spray. When using the premixed sprays it costs over $150.00 depending on what I used.

Having tried both. we use diesel instead of mineral oil. Cheaper, lasts longer, works better. Downside: cows can smell it more and try to get away.


What kind of time frame are you getting between sprays using diesel. We don't use it because of the smell and it leaves spots on anything it contacts. And if you aren't careful you smell like diesel also. We get 2-3 weeks of good control between sprays. It depends on how much rain we get during that period. Around here haven't heard of any better from those using diesel. So curious what time frame you are seeing.


It seems to be very weather-dependent. But even when dry, we didn't get anywhere near 2-3 wks with mineral oil. We usually saw flies back within a few days! They also didn't scatter immediately like they do with diesel. Haven't noticed a stain (other than on clothes, but we always use it with grubby clothes on anyway). If you're getting 2-3 wks coverage with min oil, more power to you.
Re the sprayer, we use a cheap-ish pump sprayer and (gently; not near eyes) release the pressure when done. I'm sure the sprayers would last longer if we washed them out as suggested above, but we usually have some solution left in it; and we get about 2 yrs out of a sprayer anyway...
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Re: Flies

Postby sstterry » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:29 am

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I was rotating between Ultra Boss and Ultra Saber. Now I’m buying concentrated sprays with their active ingredients

What is the name of the concentrated sprays you are using?
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Re: Flies

Postby slick4591 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:42 am

I'm being lazy but I like to keep a sprayer at the ready so all I have to do is pump and spray. That's probably my biggest problem in letting them set. Guess I need to change my routine.
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Re: Flies

Postby elkwc » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:18 am

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What is the name of the concentrated sprays you are using?


I will look when I get home. I use different brands but the main ingredient is either Pernethrin or Lambdacyhalothrin. If they don’t have Piperonyl Butoxide I add it. I bought it in concentrate so just add it. Seems to improve the effectiveness.
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Re: Flies

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:25 pm

elkwc wrote:
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What is the name of the concentrated sprays you are using?


I will look when I get home. I use different brands but the main ingredient is either Pernethrin or Lambdacyhalothrin. If they don’t have Piperonyl Butoxide I add it. I bought it in concentrate so just add it. Seems to improve the effectiveness.

You have a good mix, I mix PBO8, Lambdacy and corn oil as a pour on. We also spray CO-RAL and diesel a few times a year when needed.
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Re: Flies

Postby elkwc » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:13 pm

I'm heading out to spend the next 3 days down in west central OK working cattle and selling a few steers. When I return I will post what the fly sprays I use is. I don't feel the brand name means as much as the ingrediants. And if someone has anything that works better please share. I did a lot of searching and couldn't find much. Asked on FB and not much response. So looked at what the pre mixes that I used that worked had and started using products with similar ingrediants. And so far a lot cheaper and results have been satisfactory.
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