Banding bull calves at older age

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Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Devin » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:36 pm

All of my cows calve during September and October with the bull going back in on November 20th. I was working alot of overtime at my off farm job during calving and did not get the bulls banded as I normally do. The calves are about 400lbs now. I was thinking of buying a larger bander and banding them after weaning as I background them through the early summer when the grass greens up. I have never used one of these banders and was wondering which one some of you might think is best as in easiest to use, most durable etc. Also, once they are banded approximately how long does it take for the band to do it's job? Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby larryshoat » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:23 am

In my opinion the only bander to buy is the Callicrate . I assume you mean by "do it's job" fall off, about a month .

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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Devin » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:32 am

Yep, thats what I meant. Thanks for the quick reply Larry.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Texas PaPaw » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:50 pm

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I use the california bander. It works well and is a lot cheaper than the calicrate. Also, after applying the band, I make an incision in the bottom of the scrotum. This make them dry up and fall off in half the time. Usually 10-14 days.

Here's a link for this bander.

http://www.livestockconcepts.com/CaliforniaBander.html
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:13 pm

Texas PaPaw wrote:Devin

I use the california bander. It works well and is a lot cheaper than the calicrate. Also, after applying the band, I make an incision in the bottom of the scrotum. This make them dry up and fall off in half the time. Usually 10-14 days.


Just a small incision for drainage?
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby larryshoat » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:39 pm

The bag can be cut off below the band after 48 hours .

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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby larryshoat » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:50 pm

Texas PaPaw wrote:Devin

I use the california bander. It works well and is a lot cheaper than the calicrate. Also, after applying the band, I make an incision in the bottom of the scrotum. This make them dry up and fall off in half the time. Usually 10-14 days.

Here's a link for this bander.

http://www.livestockconcepts.com/CaliforniaBander.html


If that works for you that's fine, obviously you have the skill to use it . The times that I have seen people in trouble is where they didn't have the band tight enough, I've seen cattle needlessly lost this way . The callicrate has a built in indicator that shows when the band is tight enough . If you're getting along with something else, that's great, but I think more people will get along with the more expensive tool JMHO .

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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Devin » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:18 am

Thanks for the replies. Both of the units look good to me. I do like the feature that tells you when the band is tight enough. I just don't trust myself not to screw up and kill one or two. The extra money spent would probably be worth it in my case. Thanks for the tip on the incision as well. Do you guys give a tentanus shot when doing this? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby I luv herfrds » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:11 am

Helped a guy do his and we gave them a tetnus shot. Cut the sacs off 2 weeks later and gave them another set of shots.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby larryshoat » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:04 pm

I do a little different than most people, I use the tetanus antitoxin instead of the tetanus toxoid . I think for the toxoid you would need to get 2 rounds of that in them prior to castrating to have immunity, the antitoxin is for treatment of tetanus . I also give a shot of penicillin with the antitoxin, cut the sac off after 48 hours, in other words we treat as if they already have tetanus .In the end it's up to you and your vet to decide what is right . What I have described is what works best for me, I hope it helps .

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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Texas PaPaw » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:08 pm

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Texas PaPaw wrote:Devin

I use the california bander. It works well and is a lot cheaper than the calicrate. Also, after applying the band, I make an incision in the bottom of the scrotum. This make them dry up and fall off in half the time. Usually 10-14 days.


Just a small incision for drainage?


Actually the incision is to let the nuts dry out faster. The intact scrotum slows the drying of the nuts. I do give tetnus toxoid at the same time. Toxoid is what the bander mfg. recommends.

A simple test for tightness is attempting to get your index finger between the band and scrotum after application. If you can easily get your finger in there it is not tight enough. Getting them this tight has never been a problem for me. If one were banding many head at a time your arms might get a little tired and I suppose the tightness might decline. For those banding large numbers the callicrate would probably give a more uniform tightness and be less tireing. I don't have anything against the callicrate bander but the california bander has worked well for me along with the cost saving. Have done 500+ head over the past few years without a problem.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:33 pm

How big of an incision?
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby preston39 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:30 pm

Our 500-550# commercial calve buyers REQUIRES knife castration 30-45 days before purchase...or the animal is discounted. The exlanation is that the feeder lot uses the scrotum as a gauge of carcass fat content and then they are able to adjust the intake values. The only time we adjust the time frame is if/when an individual animal begins developing the traditional bull type facial features..then we castrate him early.

I might point out that castration is... a one trip....process.

We castrate with the sign in the left knee...going down. Never had a bleeder,infection or any other residual side effect.

Your production may be discounted without you realizing it. Suggest you check with your purchase source.
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby cowgirl_up_47 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:41 am

We use the EZE Bloodless Castrator. It takes 20-30 days to "do it's job". It is supposed to work best on calves over 250 pounds. We have had no problems with it. We also give a Tetanus Toxoid shot at the same time.

http://www.livestockpros.com/farm-ranch ... trator.htm

http://www.enasco.com/product/C18363N
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Re: Banding bull calves at older age

Postby msscamp » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:12 am

larryshoat wrote:I think for the toxoid you would need to get 2 rounds of that in them prior to castrating to have immunity, the antitoxin is for treatment of tetanus .
Larry


No, that is not true. The toxoid takes about 10 days to build immunity, but one injection will protect against tetanus. I've used the toxoid with my goats, and we've used also used it with banded bulls that vary in age from 7 months to a year old. No problems in any of them.
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