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Postby WalnutCrest » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:04 pm

Ozhorse -- Thank you for ask of this great info! Unfortunately, it may not help in our situation... she's already lost her whole hoof and the vet said there really isn't much to do. We are exploring our options we will report back as we know more.

Early indications are that the frostbite may have been exaggerated by some particularly toxic standing fescue we inherited at our new place. Fun times!
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Postby Ozhorse » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:56 pm

Have a read of the link on Stepahead farms of the case study of the horse that lost its entire hoof. My sheep also lost their entire hooves, both claws - and had been wandering around on dry burnt ground for about two weeks some of them before we started treating them. Our rams were not as bad but we specially kept flock sheep going that had totally lost their hooves as a case study

a) for ourselves as a test model in case we had problems a bit later with expensive rams and
b) as case studies for people like yourselves because there was so little information I could easily find on what to do about lost hooves and because vets generally just said shoot them because they might hurt later.

Re-read the post and the links, the advice is for if hooves are gone, as well as if they are going to go.
Some of our sheep, and a horse on the Stepahead website - live without a pedal bone in the end of the leg.
With only one foot affected you should be able to get her through. We rehabilitated sheep that eventually lost 6 of 8 claws. They dont have pretty feet now, and they are not totally sound but they live a comfortable life in with the rest of the 3500 sheep flock.

Many vets may not have personal experience with lost hooves, and while it is right to say that it is not usually worthwhile in a commercial situation to bother, if you have other reasons, like sentimental or the animal is special in some way like yours is it may be worth keeping them going.

Most of the treatment is just ongoing bandaging and padding of the end of the leg.

If the either one or both claws are gone I would suggest wrapping it up immediately just to keep the foot clean and reduce the damage so you can preserve the option of keeping her going if you want to.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby WalnutCrest » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:32 am

Well, here's the update ...

We called the vet in Hot Springs, AR recommended by Ozhorse. Seems knowledgeable and trustworthy.

After discussing costs of doing the recovery at home (including the cost of our time and our lack of specific expertise) ... and the costs of flushing the mama to our semen and doing and implant and hoping for a good heifer to get born (and the amount of time that it'd take to do this) ... and the costs of transporting mama and calf to Hot Springs, we've decided to take the calf and mama to Hot Springs. We're leaving in about 30 minutes.

We'll keep everyone here up to speed.

PS -- We do still plan on flushing mama to our semen, just not this year...fwiw...
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby Ozhorse » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:15 pm

Thanks for letting us know. I hope the travel and the treatment goes well for you and the cattle.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:34 pm

Thank you for all of the help!
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby randiliana » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:15 pm

OK, I'm going to try this again... If she only has problems with one claw, and especially if that claw is the outside one, you can have it amputated with very good results. I personally haven't had to deal with frozen feet, but last year we had a heifer with an abscessed claw. We had tried treating it and didn't get anywhere, and in the process of talking with some other producers in the area realized that we could have that claw amputated. We contacted our vet, and he said that yes it wasn't a big deal and once it healed up she would be pretty much back to normal. So last Feb we had it removed and we had the claw removed. We had to keep her in a clean and dry area for a couple weeks and it took a couple months before she was healed up and sound again. Today, a year later you cannot tell that anything happened to her unless you see her foot.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:06 pm

randiliana wrote:OK, I'm going to try this again... If she only has problems with one claw, and especially if that claw is the outside one, you can have it amputated with very good results. I personally haven't had to deal with frozen feet, but last year we had a heifer with an abscessed claw. We had tried treating it and didn't get anywhere, and in the process of talking with some other producers in the area realized that we could have that claw amputated. We contacted our vet, and he said that yes it wasn't a big deal and once it healed up she would be pretty much back to normal. So last Feb we had it removed and we had the claw removed. We had to keep her in a clean and dry area for a couple weeks and it took a couple months before she was healed up and sound again. Today, a year later you cannot tell that anything happened to her unless you see her foot.


Both claws are already gone.

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We're here and the first round of bandaging is done.

The consult is tomorrow morning ... We're going to look at a foal who had a real similar issue... we will see how it goes...
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Postby randiliana » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:15 pm

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Postby WalnutCrest » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:49 pm

Vet said we'd know more in two weeks...
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:00 am

Got home late last night.

Here's what we know so far:

* Both claws are gone.
* The three bones that support the two claws are also gone. Her rear right leg is currently about 1.5" shorter than the rear left leg.
* According to xrays, two bone fragments are at the base of the cannon bone, but do not appear to be splinters from the cannon bone.
* Cannon bone appears healthy and viable.
* After three days of bandage changes, "granular tissue" has grown over the entire stump -- this is the best news since this means that infection is much much less likely now -- and, the vet also said he wasn't sure that she'd grow any granular tissue since the bones in support of the claws are gone and was a little surprised that she has already done this.
* Mama is very attentive, but is letting them do their job on her little girl.
* Other than her right rear hoof (which is hardly her fault), she's a healthy, well-built heifer.
* They're building a brace for her rear right leg so that she can stand with better posture without inhibiting her growth and her structure (i.e., so that she grows with having correct posture so that it's not a problem when she gets older). The brace is getting built out of the hard yellow gas piping -- the vet showed us some of his other braces -- they seem very effective.

We still won't know much more than this for a couple of weeks.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby shadyhollownj » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:51 am

Glad to hear there is some progress.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:40 am

My hope is that she'll be able to grow a hoof of some sort that will allow her to be pasture-sound and that she'll be able to do her job after she's weaned. If it works, this will be far cheaper and faster than flushing her mama and buying a few recips to put embryos in to try to get another nice heifer.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby milkmaid » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:02 pm

If P1, P2, P3 (the three bones below the fetlock "joint") are gone, she's not growing anything.

The brace sounds fascinating. Any chance of getting to see pictures?
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby Ozhorse » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:55 pm

I would love to see some pics if you have any. Dr Jolly is very innovative with bandages and ways of keeping things going. If you google "animal amputees pictures" there are some amazing animals there, including an elephant!
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