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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby WalnutCrest » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:32 am

milkmaid wrote:If P1, P2, P3 (the three bones below the fetlock "joint") are gone, she's not growing anything.


The vet has told us that, despite not having a hoof, P1, P2 or P3, that she is, in fact, growing granulated tissue over her entire stump. This is the first part of recovery. While there is a LONG way to go, things appear to be going reasonably well.

milkmaid wrote:The brace sounds fascinating. Any chance of getting to see pictures?


Vet said that he'd be sending us the best photos of the week some time in the next day or two. He told us to expect weekly photo updates after that.

We'll see what he sends.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby milkmaid » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:35 pm

Granulation tissue is to be expected and a normal part of healing wounds. A new hoof is not. (I had understood the previous post as expecting the latter.)

Look forward to the pictures.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby Workinonit Farm » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:34 am

This has been a very interesting and informative thread.

I too didn't think that 'hoof' growth would occur seeing that those 3 bones are gone. I would think that since they are gone, the cells and part of the hoof structure that produces hoof-horn material is also gone.

Please post pics when you can. And thanks for all the updates, really a very interesting thread.

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Postby WalnutCrest » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:24 am

I still really don't know what to expect as it regards "pasture functionality".

We'll see ... and I'll post some pictures when I get them (which is hopefully today or tomorrow).
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby Ozhorse » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:59 am

I can answer how it might be possible to have hoof tissue without P1, P2 or P3.

Since the bone does not produce the hoof tissue, if you remove the bone the hoof tissue and other tissue is still there, like a sock without a foot in it. There is not anything to keep it solid and it might be mushy, but horn can still grow. Not necessarily a pretty thought.

I am currently working on a series of photos of the case study of one claw on one foot of one of the sheep that has lost the P1 from both claws over the last 14 months. It is taking a lot longer for me to load it all onto photobucket than I anticipated but should be there some time soon.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:07 am

Vet said she is getting better and there have been no setbacks.

They are trying to build a brace that will be able to be adjusted three times by replacing one part for another. That is still at a trial and error stage.

Pictures are delayed as the lady who does that needs a heart transplant and he is letting her go at her own pace.

Bottom line is that he is pleased with her progress.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:19 am

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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby milkmaid » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:28 am

Intriguing. I'm definitely curious to see the brace too when they get pictures of that. Thanks for posting.

Why is the opposite hock wrapped?
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Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:57 am

milkmaid wrote:Intriguing. I'm definitely curious to see the brace too when they get pictures of that. Thanks for posting.


I'm curious to ... and you're welcome.

milkmaid wrote:Why is the opposite hock wrapped?


Frostbite damage that's healing up.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:26 pm

She's been wearing the brace for the last four days with good results. She's able to stand with normal posture and it's alleviating pressure from her good rear left leg. Also, the frost-bitten tendons have healed up and we're just waiting on the skin to cover the area.

Here are pictures (in order) from the wound cleaning / bandaging / bracing earlier today. Getting the old bandage off:
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The stub with the bootie off:
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The "raw stub" before treatment:
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The "raw stub" part II:
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After treatment and cleaning:
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A second look:
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Putting a little weight on it:
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The brace:
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The brace on (the tendons have healed over!) and bearing weight:
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Taking a few steps:
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Back in the stall with Mama:
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"Whew -- that was exhausting!":
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby WalnutCrest » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:37 pm

The brace adds about 3" to the length of her leg.

The idea, as I understand it, is to engineer the leg brace to be able to be modified a couple of times as she grows so that it maintains a good fit and so that she's able to maintain her posture.

I'm pleased with her development and progress.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby Ozhorse » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:15 pm

Thanks for posting all those photos. Dr Jolly has a very positive attitude toward keeping the animal going and some very innovative approaches.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:44 pm

I agree about his attitude.

I'm pleased with how this little lady looks thus far. We'll see what the future holds ...

Thanks again for pointing us his way.
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby hillsdown » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:48 pm

Very interesting thread . Good luck with her, I hope she progresses well and you can at least harvest some embryos form her . :tiphat:
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Re: Anyone w/ experience w/ frozen hooves on valuable calves

Postby WalnutCrest » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:16 am

Heifer continues to do well.

The current effort is to get skin to grow over her stump, and then for that skin to toughen up. Right now, skin has grown over about 1/2" of the side of the nub. The vet is very pleased with how she's coming along.

I've been SLAMMED the last several weeks, hence no updates. Maybe I'll have time over the next couple of weeks to get some more photos up.
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