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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby City Guy » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:43 am

As usual, I only know what I read, but for me it would be Katahdin Hair sheep and/or Kiko goats. I have 8-9 "favorite" breeds of cattle, but only one of sheep and one of goats. Boer goats, I read, are very high maintenance and highly susceptible to worms. Lots of hoof problems too.
On my fantasy farm I always have sheep grazing with or just behind the cows and goats on the steep timber land. When fescue heads out I bring in the goats ahead of the cattle and rest the timber pastures. There are just too many benefits to multi species grazing to ignore. Of course each case is different.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby TexasBred » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:47 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I know less about goats than I do cattle which is pretty frightening.


Me too and I have no intention of raising sheep and goats regardless of what the cattle market does. I think the Fenceman has raised both and done quite well with sheep and goats.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Rafter S » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:10 am

TexasBred wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I know less about goats than I do cattle which is pretty frightening.


Me too and I have no intention of raising sheep and goats regardless of what the cattle market does. I think the Fenceman has raised both and done quite well with sheep and goats.


I have no doubt there's money to be made with sheep and goats. I'm just not interested in getting any of it.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Lucky_P » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:04 pm

Around here, you'd get *maybe* a 2-yr 'honeymoon' period before the worms started killing off your goats/sheep in a major way... IF you managed to find any that weren't already harboring a population of worms that weren't already resistant to everything available... and after that, culling for parasite resistance would mainly entail dragging off the deads...

Then, there's the fencing issue...

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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby RanchMan90 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:37 pm

I went through the "honeymoon" myself in the Texas hill country learning from my old granddad who made an honest living from sheep and goats, and a few cows with a stocking rate of 25-30 acres per cow. Parasites were near nonexistent West of i35, and the fences were already established in that area. I came back to Oklahoma for the lower cost of living, bringing with me 200 head of put together sheep and goats that thrived in Texas. Out of that flock after culling and death loss I had 60 "survivors" left with parasite resistance that would stay in okie fences. The best thing I did was getting some genetics acclimated to my area.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Bigfoot » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:28 pm

Lucky_P wrote:Around here, you'd get *maybe* a 2-yr 'honeymoon' period before the worms started killing off your goats/sheep in a major way... IF you managed to find any that weren't already harboring a population of worms that weren't already resistant to everything available... and after that, culling for parasite resistance would mainly entail dragging off the deads...

Then, there's the fencing issue...


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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:33 pm

You guys are talking me out of my dream of being a kingpin in the goat business.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Brute 23 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:13 pm

Lucky_P wrote:Around here, you'd get *maybe* a 2-yr 'honeymoon' period before the worms started killing off your goats/sheep in a major way... IF you managed to find any that weren't already harboring a population of worms that weren't already resistant to everything available... and after that, culling for parasite resistance would mainly entail dragging off the deads...

Then, there's the fencing issue...


I worked for a man that had sheep and Black Angus cattle.... still have nightmares to this day. I never doctored, and worked, and buried, and babied, and doctored so much in my life. I don't care if they pay you in gold bars... no dice here. :hide:
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby RanchMan90 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:14 pm

Lol. My first experience was definitely a trial by fire with a u shaped learning curve. The flock I keep now couldn't be killed with a hammer lol. Starting small with an acclimated group would be my best advice to lower risks.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Muddy » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:34 pm

Predator issues is the reason why I didn't get in sheep/goat business. Everything likes a fresh lamb or a young goat kid.

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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Rafter S » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:50 pm

Muddy wrote:Predator issues is the reason why I didn't get in sheep/goat business. Everything likes a fresh lamb or a young goat kid.


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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby RanchMan90 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:28 pm

I'm not here to sell anybody on them and won't deny that they are NOT easy money. I'm sure there's a reason John Wayne didn't have any lol.
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby Dave » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:20 pm

Muddy wrote:Predator issues is the reason why I didn't get in sheep/goat business. Everything likes a fresh lamb or a young goat kid.


I have no shortage of eagles, coyotes, bears, and mountain lions with wolves on the way. So if the parasites and disease doesn't get them the predators will. I have a friend with a few sheep. Bald Eagles got 17 lambs last spring. Shooting a Bald Eagle is frowned on.

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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby skyhightree1 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:29 pm

Yea I sell hair sheep and goats every weekend... I personally do really well on hogs too roasting size. Avg weekend I will sell 7-10 animals. Oh yea trimming hooves is not fun...
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Re: Alternative livestock economics

Postby skyhightree1 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:40 pm

Took this last night while feeding them.. They are some weird creatures

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