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Feeding heifers

Postby broncohunter » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:50 am

Im been snooping around a lot and finally decided to join this week. I've been through the search bar and still can't find the info I'm looking for.

I have been kicking around the idea of feeding heifers from 400 to 700. I have access to ddg straight from distillery and plan to mix in cottonseed hulls. Free choice decent hay and mineral. The pasture is at par at best but would have zero land cost for me. Some people have said 2.25lbs are possible, some have said maybe 1.5lbs. I also keeping getting different amounts to feed was planning on 1% to 1.5% body weight a day. I don't live on the property so drive time is involved and would need 2lbs a day to really make it worth it. Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby Cucumber35 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:32 pm

How many are you planning on feeding? I'm not well versed in these things at all so I'm probably not much help but it seems the only way to make that sort of thing work is volume, and that takes the inputs to another level, at least to be efficient.

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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:54 pm

Your supplementation levels sound high. There are studies on the internet for DDG supplementing pasture. The one I recall was from Nebraska, and their data said supplementing DDG was more cost effective than buying fertilizer for the grass.
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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby broncohunter » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:15 pm

I was thinking about doing 20. I just didn't know if hay and ddg would be possible for 2lbs a day. The pasture is over grown from where my grandpa sold the last of his cows in 2008. The property is untouched since then.

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Postby Brute 23 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:39 pm

Wait to buy cattle and light that pasture on fire. When the grass comes back look at doing what you are talking about.

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Postby ricebeltrancher » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:45 pm

I think if the heifers are out of good genetics and growthy, you might get close to 2#. You probably already know this but sulfur toxicity is something to watch for if you feed them pretty hard. We've used DDG on our heifers a few times but more as a supplement to keep them going up rather than trying to push them to gain a lot of weight. Are you wanting to feed terminal cross type heifers or replacements?
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Postby Ky cowboy » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:00 pm

Would it be worth buying 10-15 bulls at say 300-400 lbs. Cut vaccinate and get them on feed and bring them up to say 550-600 lbs and dump them. I've got plenty of hay will be buying a 3 way mix of corn soy hulls and corn gluten. Been tossing this idea around trying to make a a few bucks. I've already have the facility to do it just curious if it's worth while

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Postby broncohunter » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:28 pm

ricebeltrancher wrote:I think if the heifers are out of good genetics and growthy, you might get close to 2#. You probably already know this but sulfur toxicity is something to watch for if you feed them pretty hard. We've used DDG on our heifers a few times but more as a supplement to keep them going up rather than trying to push them to gain a lot of weight. Are you wanting to feed terminal cross type heifers or replacements?


Planning on terminal cross type. If I was going to replacements I wouldn't push them so hard. My thoughts are that this would be the cheapest way into cattle. I would have a cash flow at least couple times a year. I wouldn't have to wait for calves then sell them. It would put couple years before getting your money back if it goes right, then make money.

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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby TexasBred » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:15 pm

broncohunter wrote:
ricebeltrancher wrote:I think if the heifers are out of good genetics and growthy, you might get close to 2#. You probably already know this but sulfur toxicity is something to watch for if you feed them pretty hard. We've used DDG on our heifers a few times but more as a supplement to keep them going up rather than trying to push them to gain a lot of weight. Are you wanting to feed terminal cross type heifers or replacements?


Planning on terminal cross type. If I was going to replacements I wouldn't push them so hard. My thoughts are that this would be the cheapest way into cattle. I would have a cash flow at least couple times a year. I wouldn't have to wait for calves then sell them. It would put couple years before getting your money back if it goes right, then make money.

Straight DDG has too much protein to be fed as the sole source of feed unless you really restrict the amount you feed. Mix it one part DDG and 2 parts corn and you'll still have a 15% ration with excellent energy and will give you a greater daily weight gain. You might look at adding other by-products to make a more balanced ration. Forget the CS hulls and feed hay/grazing for roughage.
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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby broncohunter » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:17 pm

TexasBred wrote:
broncohunter wrote:
ricebeltrancher wrote:I think if the heifers are out of good genetics and growthy, you might get close to 2#. You probably already know this but sulfur toxicity is something to watch for if you feed them pretty hard. We've used DDG on our heifers a few times but more as a supplement to keep them going up rather than trying to push them to gain a lot of weight. Are you wanting to feed terminal cross type heifers or replacements?


Planning on terminal cross type. If I was going to replacements I wouldn't push them so hard. My thoughts are that this would be the cheapest way into cattle. I would have a cash flow at least couple times a year. I wouldn't have to wait for calves then sell them. It would put couple years before getting your money back if it goes right, then make money.

Straight DDG has too much protein to be fed as the sole source of feed unless you really restrict the amount you feed. Mix it one part DDG and 2 parts corn and you'll still have a 15% ration with excellent energy and will give you a greater daily weight gain. You might look at adding other by-products to make a more balanced ration. Forget the CS hulls and feed hay/grazing for roughage.



Would hay be enough since the pasture isn't much? I plan on working on the pasture this fall. Do you think 2 lbs a day would be possible with a different ration?

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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby TexasBred » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:40 am

Hay should be more than enough and if they are on pasture you'll soon have grazing. Two pounds is obtainable but will require 10-12 lbs. of grain mix per day plus the hay. All depends on how good the grain mix is.
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Re: Feeding heifers

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broncohunter wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
broncohunter wrote:
Planning on terminal cross type. If I was going to replacements I wouldn't push them so hard. My thoughts are that this would be the cheapest way into cattle. I would have a cash flow at least couple times a year. I wouldn't have to wait for calves then sell them. It would put couple years before getting your money back if it goes right, then make money.

Straight DDG has too much protein to be fed as the sole source of feed unless you really restrict the amount you feed. Mix it one part DDG and 2 parts corn and you'll still have a 15% ration with excellent energy and will give you a greater daily weight gain. You might look at adding other by-products to make a more balanced ration. Forget the CS hulls and feed hay/grazing for roughage.



Would hay be enough since the pasture isn't much? I plan on working on the pasture this fall. Do you think 2 lbs a day would be possible with a different ration?



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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby TexasBred » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:28 pm

That thing should be enough to make you pull your hair out.
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Postby AdamsCreek » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:33 pm

TexasBred wrote:
broncohunter wrote:
ricebeltrancher wrote:I think if the heifers are out of good genetics and growthy, you might get close to 2#. You probably already know this but sulfur toxicity is something to watch for if you feed them pretty hard. We've used DDG on our heifers a few times but more as a supplement to keep them going up rather than trying to push them to gain a lot of weight. Are you wanting to feed terminal cross type heifers or replacements?


Planning on terminal cross type. If I was going to replacements I wouldn't push them so hard. My thoughts are that this would be the cheapest way into cattle. I would have a cash flow at least couple times a year. I wouldn't have to wait for calves then sell them. It would put couple years before getting your money back if it goes right, then make money.

Straight DDG has too much protein to be fed as the sole source of feed unless you really restrict the amount you feed. Mix it one part DDG and 2 parts corn and you'll still have a 15% ration with excellent energy and will give you a greater daily weight gain. You might look at adding other by-products to make a more balanced ration. Forget the CS hulls and feed hay/grazing for roughage.

What form should the corn come in? Rolled? Cracked? Chops? What other byproducts would make it more balanced? More specifically if I was wanting to fill a creep feeder and feed it free choice to add pounds to calves that are still on mom's milk and pasture before going to the sale. I just filled my buggy with a ton of 4 way mix that's 40% Soy Bean Hull Pellets, 30% Corn Gluten Pellets, 20% Wheat Midd Pellets and 10% Rolled Corn. Would I be better off tweaking this mix a little by adding ddg in it and could it be fed free choice?

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Re: Feeding heifers

Postby TexasBred » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:09 am

Nothing wrong with that mix at all. A little high in soyhulls but they are very digestible and have good energy levels. Calves should do well on the mix.
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