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No till drill

Postby tncattle » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:24 pm

Here's the scenario:
-Have access to a 10 ft. no till drill April 19.
-cows will be off pasture by April 30 at the latest and maybe earlier
-47 acres currently of clover, fescue, Bermuda and small amount of other random grasses. It's all river bottom and in decent shape as is.
-what would you plant? Let's take the do nothing out of the equation.
-middle Tn. Area (Nashville to be exact)

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Re: No till drill

Postby M-5 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:53 pm

I know nothing about your area but if TIFF leaf 3 will work there thats your answer
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Re: No till drill

Postby FiveOaksFarmGA » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:51 pm

Don't plant any variety of Bermuda from seed. It will revert back to common Bermuda within a few years. I'd go with an early cool season grass like rye to get something as soon as the frost stops. Timothy and OG would likely grow ok that far north.
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Re: No till drill

Postby tncattle » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:58 pm

Our frosts are done. Some local guys said it was too late for Rye and were saying I should go with Fescue.

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Re: No till drill

Postby FiveOaksFarmGA » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:25 pm

I meant for next spring. You are correct, too late to get the rye this year. Fescue is a near failsafe. I'd try to get as broad of a spectrum of early, mid, late season grasses as I could is what I was getting at. Your fescue is a good late spring/early summer, late summer early fall producer. Bermuda is a good summer producer.
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Re: No till drill

Postby kilroy60 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:45 am

Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.

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Re: No till drill

Postby M-5 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:46 am

I was under impression you just wanted to add a summer forage to the mix you have . as clover and fescue will play out soon . I don't comprehend sometimes. I can't tell u what will work there .
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Re: No till drill

Postby M-5 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:49 am

kilroy60 wrote:Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.

Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.
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Re: No till drill

Postby ddd75 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:28 am

field peas, turnips

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Re: No till drill

Postby FiveOaksFarmGA » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:22 pm

M-5 wrote:
kilroy60 wrote:Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.

Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.


You find one that won't, please let me know. I and many others on haytalk would love that info. Have heard no one get more than 3-5 years of productive Bermuda from seed. Even UGA says to sprig the hybrids.
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Re: No till drill

Postby 1982vett » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:28 am

M-5 wrote:
kilroy60 wrote:Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.

Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.

I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
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Re: No till drill

Postby M-5 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:40 am

1982vett wrote:
M-5 wrote:
kilroy60 wrote:Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.

Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.

I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
it does not revert back the common is more prolific and it squeezes the hybrid out. Or that what the scientist have always told me . I've had extensive conversations with ifas forage specialist
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Re: No till drill

Postby shaz » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:18 am

tncattle wrote:Here's the scenario:
-Have access to a 10 ft. no till drill April 19.
-cows will be off pasture by April 30 at the latest and maybe earlier
-47 acres currently of clover, fescue, Bermuda and small amount of other random grasses. It's all river bottom and in decent shape as is.
-what would you plant? Let's take the do nothing out of the equation.
-middle Tn. Area (Nashville to be exact)


Fescue. I would imagine that the cows are grazing the fescue and not touching the bermuda even in the summer.
Sound about right?
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Re: No till drill

Postby FiveOaksFarmGA » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:29 pm

M-5 wrote:
1982vett wrote:
M-5 wrote:Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.

I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
it does not revert back the common is more prolific and it squeezes the hybrid out. Or that what the scientist have always told me . I've had extensive conversations with ifas forage specialist


Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Terminology, but eventually you'll end up with Common.
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Re: No till drill

Postby tncattle » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:00 pm

The local guys at the co-op where I'm renting the drill are saying just plant Fescue and don't worry about it being hard the cattle. One guy even said "aw it don't bother them (cattle) none.


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