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Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:59 pm
by Bigfoot
I rotate my pastures. Certainly not to the extent of the MIG grazing I see people post about on here. I'm debating now, if it's time to change pastures. Mine eat what they like first (Johnson grass, and honey suckles). Where they like second (near the tanks, and around the shade). Plenty of grass out there, but they're not interested in it.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:17 pm
by Fire Sweep Ranch
We run 35 cows and calves on 1 acre sections. Right now, we move them about every 4 to 5 days. I come behind them with a brush hog to knock down the stems they leave (grass headed out). In the early spring, a section (1 acre) might last them 12 to 24 hours. Right now we have a lot of grass, thankfully!

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:00 am
by tncattle
I was wondering if I should go behind them and cut what was left standing untouched.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:16 am
by shaz
tncattle wrote:I was wondering if I should go behind them and cut what was left standing untouched.


I personally don't want to cut more than once a year due to time and economics. You might pull a drag behind your cutter.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:59 pm
by dun
tncattle wrote:I was wondering if I should go behind them and cut what was left standing untouched.

I don;t, I leave it so it will add to the seed bank.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:54 pm
by Dave
There is a wide array of grass out there, so your grass may act different from my grass. The objective of grass is to form a mature seed head. Once it has done that it a done growing for the year. So my objective is to keep it from forming that seed head. That way it will keep coming back. I don't like to clip as that cost time and money. So I try to confine the cows down enough to where they eat most everything. It doesn't always work but I try. A few scattered seed heads I don't worry about because it isn't worth the time and diesel to cut them. Some of my summer pasture is too wet too late into the spring the grass has already matured before it would be dry enough to graze or clip so it is just the way it is..... but the rent is real cheap so it doesn't bother me.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:05 pm
by Stocker Steve
wbvs58 wrote:I tell mine not to eat it below 6-8" but they don't seem to take any notice, they will eat it short and leave some areas long. Ken


Some don't listen well, but you have to show them who is in charge!
Either put the root grazers on a trailer or cross fence tighter.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:05 pm
by Stocker Steve
dun wrote:
tncattle wrote:I was wondering if I should go behind them and cut what was left standing untouched.

I don;t, I leave it so it will add to the seed bank.


What do you have banked Dun?

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:15 am
by dun
Stocker Steve wrote:
dun wrote:
tncattle wrote:I was wondering if I should go behind them and cut what was left standing untouched.

I don;t, I leave it so it will add to the seed bank.


What do you have banked Dun?

KY31 fescue is about 95%, the rest is OG

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:52 am
by talltimber
dun, I have some scattered OG around, very little in most areas. The areas where it is most prevalent seems to be shady places. Do you overseed to keep your OG population up or do you have to drill it in occasionally? How do you keep the fescue from choking it out?

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:18 pm
by Stocker Steve
talltimber wrote:Do you overseed to keep your OG population up or do you have to drill it in occasionally? How do you keep the fescue from choking it out?


Move north. Most fescues start to die out after 4 to 5 years.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:21 pm
by dun
OG was developed to work in, wait, are you ready, "orchards", i.e. shade, thus the name orchard grass. It always works best in shade. Since my cows will hardly touch the stuff I don;t seed any of it. There is some volunteer stuff but our place is probably 98% KY31 fescue

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:29 pm
by Stocker Steve
OG thrives here after the fescue gives up. OG seems to work best in a hay mix. It survives in the shade of a hip high legume jungle. I was only putting 2#/acre of OG in my mixes, but it takes over in well drained areas after tall "improved" legumes winter kill.

Cattle don't eat all of the OG seed stems, so my pastures will then become mostly OG and ladino clover If you don't give them a long rest period.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:21 am
by talltimber
dun wrote:OG was developed to work in, wait, are you ready, "orchards", i.e. shade, thus the name orchard grass. It always works best in shade. Since my cows will hardly touch the stuff I don;t seed any of it. There is some volunteer stuff but our place is probably 98% KY31 fescue


Makes sense!! And that's what I see here as well.

Re: Rotational grazing ?

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:01 am
by farmerjan
Here we actually grow orchard grass as the primary hay in fields that we reseed. No shade either. I get that it was developed for orchards. Aside from the fescue that grows without any help here and which I detest, we have alot of clovers, and orchard grass . Also some crabgrass and whatever other native grasses that just come up. Have had a problem with mustard taking over some fields and the cows don't like it as hay or for grazing. Some johnson grass but the hay customers don't like it. There are a few that grow timothy, but it doesn't like the heat and it doesn't last long. Alot of alfalfa is grown for hay and silage. We do some rye and wheat to extend the grazing for the cooler weather. But there is alot of fescue here too.