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All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:44 am
by tjmdo
I recently watched an informative video on bulls and epds. They mentioned that the most desirable bull is an all purpose bull. I get what that means with respect to heifer breeding with good growth but what is an all purpose bull really? He didn't expand much on epds or phenotype.

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:46 am
by Son of Butch
How about a well balanced bull that's above breed average on nearly all traits?

Hoover Elation at Select Sires is average or above for 20 of 25 traits and I would consider him to be all purpose
because he is well proven and won't hurt you in either maternal or carcass traits (and that's a rare occurrence)
https://selectsiresbeef.com/index.php/b ... ge?bid=344

ced 15 top 3%
bw -1.5 10% .80 accuracy
ww top 40%
yw 20%

radg 25%
dmi 40%

sc 25%
doc 3%
hp 1%
cem 3%
milk 23 (55%)
mh 50%
$EN -5.83 (60%)

cw 45%
marb 35%
re 40%
$W 35%
$F 10%
$G 45%
$QG 30%
$B 125 top 35%

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:02 am
by dun
My all purpose bull would be at or no more then 10% above breed average for any trait. Problem is some cows may need an udder or foot or leg or barrel or etc. bull if you retain replacements,

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:59 am
by Son of Butch
dun wrote:My all purpose bull would be at or no more then 10% above breed average for any trait.

yes... top 1% hp are just too fertile and top 3% docility are just too gentle... after all what is life without struggle

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:57 am
by dun
Son of Butch wrote:
dun wrote:My all purpose bull would be at or no more then 10% above breed average for any trait.

yes... top 1% hp are just too fertile and top 3% docility are just too gentle... after all what is life without struggle

Think balance.

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:04 pm
by Son of Butch
Dog gentle cattle are unbalanced?
Perhaps .... making sweeping ALL inclusive statements is not balanced.

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:28 pm
by Chi-man
I think Dun gave great advice! His herd backs up the advice he gave. ;-)

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:05 pm
by tjmdo
Thanks!

Re: All purpose Bull.

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:52 pm
by Nesikep
I think the point is to not neglect and go backward in a bunch of traits to make advances in another trait... Going for phenomenal growth numbers at the cost of calving ease would be one example... better to go more moderate on the growth and at least hold your position on the calving ease and other traits.