Page 1 of 3

Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:38 pm
by brianjjohnson
I have just bought 33 head of cattle and am in need of some direction. Ive been doing as much reading on general info as i can, but still have a few (a lot) of questions. I have 13 calves and 20 heifers on 25 acres. No barn, no catch pin and 2 feed troughs. The land was purchased from a lady with a third party lease on it. He was using it for cattle (the same cattle i ended up buying). I had intentions of cleaning up the land and then starting with a few cows and working up my own herd. However, long-story short a good deal persuaded me in purchasing the cows as well. The land was COVERED in summer cedars, to the point you couldn't see any grass and calves and smaller heifers would get lost in the muck. Since purchase I have bush-hogged everything down. Lastly the cows are pretty puny looking and to my knowledge have not been wormed, preg-checked or had any fly prevention. Cows are located in North Alabama and I was told that they are a black-angus mix.... Okay now that you have that back-round here are my questions.

1. What type of grain feed if any do i need to be getting to get the weight back up/ how long do i keep them on it
2. What type of mineral-block and how many /how long do i keep them on it.
3. Do i need to spray fields for weeds and cedars now or weight till next year./ What do i need to spray them with
4. What type of wormer should i give/ injectable -pour on- vet gun?
5. Fly prevention?

I have a buddy i go to church with coming out to look that works with the north american limousine association. hes going to tell me about which ones i need to get rid of and which ones to keep.

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:58 pm
by Ol' 243
Oh boy, I'm afraid you done bit of a chunk. First thing to do is concentrate on getting some facilities to work them in.

Re: Green as it gets table

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:32 pm
by ALACOWMAN
you can cut the cedar growth over half cutting it in bloom,, right now... Depending on how bad you have it,can have it under control in a couple years...you need to get portable panels up..you can borrow,rent a portable squeeze chute from the extension office.to get you by. Sounds like they need a injectable wormer now,to get full effect.the pour on is good on healthy cows...get your buddy to mouth the cows...https://www.google.com/search?q=portabl ... AXLAkGasXM:

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:34 pm
by callmefence
My advice would be to sell 2/3 of your herd and get things in order.

Edit sell 3/4.

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:36 pm
by 1982vett
From your pasture description I think you need to start by selling off half your cows. If you don't have grass for them now, you sure aren't going to have enough thru the winter.

Other option is to buy more and run a feedlot.

Ya beat me to it fence....

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:58 pm
by HDRider
Why not sell all the cattle, work on the place, then buy the way you planned?

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:33 pm
by Red Bull Breeder
Who might your buddy be that works with North American Limousin?

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:10 pm
by Aaron9876
Wow...way to dive in head first...off a cliff...blindfolded...

If the pastures are as bad as you describe why did they have so may head per acre?

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:18 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Aaron9876 wrote:Wow...way to dive in head first...off a cliff...blindfolded...

If the pastures are as bad as you describe why did they have so may head per acre?
overstocking seems to be the norm in North Ala..

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:22 pm
by boondocks
Sell them. If you sell them for more than the "great deal" you got them for, you will be ahead of me for this year profit-wise. (And ahead of many others, I'll bet). Having pocketed some profit, consider yourself a successful cattle farmer and retire from it. (Only half joking).

Seriously, consider selling them and getting proper facilities before you jump back in. Just because you got a good deal doesn't mean your original plan wasn't good. They need worked and you need a way to do it safely.

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:55 am
by ALACOWMAN
Doubt you'd get much for them if their looking poor,, a lot of it due to the calves pulling them down..and you say they are first Calvers..sell the calves if their old enough..and before the market is flooded next month...fertilize pasture now, so it can recover,and some fall and winter grazing...weve been getting plenty of rain to do it good...if you keep em get in shape going into winter...

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:41 am
by kilroy60
Whew, whatever you do, good luck. Sounds like you got a lot of work ahead.

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:31 am
by Rafter S
brianjjohnson wrote:1. What type of grain feed if any do i need to be getting to get the weight back up/ how long do i keep them on it
Give them some good hay, and all of it they'll eat. Any good feed will help, but don't give them a lot of it right away. Ease them into it.
2. What type of mineral-block and how many /how long do i keep them on it. Don't get blocks. If you have a place to keep it out of the weather then loose mineral and loose salt are a better choice. Keep both out for them year round. If you can't keep it out of the weather then get a mineral block and a salt block. Again, year-round.
3. Do i need to spray fields for weeds and cedars now or weight till next year./ What do i need to spray them with Wait until next spring
4. What type of wormer should i give/ injectable -pour on- vet gun? Since you don't have any way to catch them, spray-on or pour-on may be your only option.
5. Fly prevention? That's the least of your problems right now.

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:02 pm
by HDRider
Rafter S wrote:
brianjjohnson wrote:1. What type of grain feed if any do i need to be getting to get the weight back up/ how long do i keep them on it
Give them some good hay, and all of it they'll eat. Any good feed will help, but don't give them a lot of it right away. Ease them into it.
2. What type of mineral-block and how many /how long do i keep them on it. Don't get blocks. If you have a place to keep it out of the weather then loose mineral and loose salt are a better choice. Keep both out for them year round. If you can't keep it out of the weather then get a mineral block and a salt block. Again, year-round.

Image

3. Do i need to spray fields for weeds and cedars now or weight till next year./ What do i need to spray them with Wait until next spring
4. What type of wormer should i give/ injectable -pour on- vet gun? Since you don't have any way to catch them, spray-on or pour-on may be your only option.
5. Fly prevention? That's the least of your problems right now.



I like these for mineral... Cows like them too...

Re: Green as it gets

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:58 pm
by Rafter S
HDRider wrote:
Rafter S wrote:
brianjjohnson wrote:1. What type of grain feed if any do i need to be getting to get the weight back up/ how long do i keep them on it
Give them some good hay, and all of it they'll eat. Any good feed will help, but don't give them a lot of it right away. Ease them into it.
2. What type of mineral-block and how many /how long do i keep them on it. Don't get blocks. If you have a place to keep it out of the weather then loose mineral and loose salt are a better choice. Keep both out for them year round. If you can't keep it out of the weather then get a mineral block and a salt block. Again, year-round.

Image

3. Do i need to spray fields for weeds and cedars now or weight till next year./ What do i need to spray them with Wait until next spring
4. What type of wormer should i give/ injectable -pour on- vet gun? Since you don't have any way to catch them, spray-on or pour-on may be your only option.
5. Fly prevention? That's the least of your problems right now.



I like these for mineral... Cows like them too...


Thank you for posting that. I have some of those too, but clean forgot to mention it this morning.