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Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:14 am
by ALACOWMAN
tdc_cattle wrote:I was hoping for some more specific things.
good luck with that... Doing every thing you can..covering all the angles makes you a better cattleman...not doing just one specific thing in general..to many variables....

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:17 am
by Nesikep
With no sarcasm intended at all, CT has made me a better cattleman.. learning about genetics, breeding, EPD's, diseases, minerals, forages, etc.. and last but not least, looking at pictures of THOUSANDS of cattle and picking apart what you like and don't like about them, and listening to what others like and don't like about the same animals... That is a bit subjective, but there will be patterns.. length, stance, hooves, udders, and all.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:24 am
by shaz
Nesikep wrote:With no sarcasm intended at all, CT has made me a better cattleman.. learning about genetics, breeding, EPD's, diseases, minerals, forages, etc.. and last but not least, looking at pictures of THOUSANDS of cattle and picking apart what you like and don't like about them, and listening to what others like and don't like about the same animals... That is a bit subjective, but there will be patterns.. length, stance, hooves, udders, and all.


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Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:15 pm
by Bigfoot
Experience.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:16 pm
by Bright Raven
Bigfoot wrote:Experience.


+10

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:45 pm
by wacocowboy
Learning how to do a rain dance.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:46 pm
by cow pollinater
tdc_cattle wrote:I was hoping for some more specific things.

Ok, a pencil sharpener. :D Watch your cows close. When you see a need that needs to be met think of a couple different ways to meet it and figure out which one is most cost effective and try it. An easy starting point is heterosis. Other than my registered cows I don't want a purebred on the place. That's one simple step that will make you a better cowman in one generation as it fixes a lot of the problems you will see when you really start paying attention to your cows.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:06 pm
by RanchMan90
tdc_cattle wrote:I was hoping for some more specific things.

What in particular? It's tough for a cow calf operation, all you can control are your input costs. Try to add any value to your calves that you can. Think outside the box :2cents:

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:38 pm
by Dave
tdc_cattle wrote:I was hoping for some more specific things.


OK, I said find your unfair advantage so here are a couple of mine.
This is an isolated market that doesn't get enough cattle to fill a pot every week. As a result cattle are generally 20 cents under the real market. So buy cheap and ship them to somewhere that pays real market price.
There are thousands and thousands of acres of irrigated hay raised for the export market. They don't take hay that is slightly off. So that hay can be bought cheap. Why spend time and money when there is a reliable source of good cow hay.
There is a sweet corn processing plant near me. For 2 to 2 1/2 months of the year they haul off a number of truck loads every day of cobs, husks, and waste corn. Cows love it and it can be bought cheap. Either feed it fresh or put into a silage pit. Again it is a reliable source available every year.
Those are examples of my unfair advantage. I don't know your area so I don't know what your unfair advantage might be.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:56 pm
by Jogeephus
Don't forget they are cows. Cows are designed to take all sorts of forage and run it through their many stomachs and turn that into meat that you sell. Don't go chasing breeds. Don't chase fads. Have a plan and an objective and stick with it because what's good for the purebred seed stock produce may not be good for the commercial guy.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:09 pm
by wbvs58
I think my desire to have better and better cows. I think it all started soon after I kicked off I put in a set of scales to weigh them. I guess I am obscessed with weaning weights and to achieve that I look to improve my genetics and to improve my pasture and maybe decrease my stocking rate a bit to ease the load.

Ken

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:06 pm
by Ryder
Not necessarily new steps, but I would suggest:
Learn to do as much for yourself as you can. Some people believe they need to holler for the veterinarian for every health related thing. Most things you can do for yourself.
Get a couple of good books and learn.

Use common sense in buying equipment depending on size of your operation.
You don't need the latest, fanciest, pretty equipment.
There is a world of difference between what you want and what you actually need.
A lot of things you can hire done rather than buying the equipment to do it yourself.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:07 pm
by cow pollinater
Ryder wrote:Not necessarily new steps, but I would suggest:
Learn to do as much for yourself as you can. Some people believe they need to holler for the veterinarian for every health related thing. Most things you can do for yourself.
Get a couple of good books and learn.

Use common sense in buying equipment depending on size of your operation.
You don't need the latest, fanciest, pretty equipment.
There is a world of difference between what you want and what you actually need.
A lot of things you can hire done rather than buying the equipment to do it yourself.

Very good advice. I don't use vets other than prescriptions or when I'm stumped and sometimes they are too by that point.
I'm bad at running out and buying something I think I need but my neighbors would loan it to me if I had just asked and everything I own is free for use by just about anyone that needs it.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:15 pm
by cow pollinater
wbvs58 wrote:I think my desire to have better and better cows. I think it all started soon after I kicked off I put in a set of scales to weigh them. I guess I am obscessed with weaning weights and to achieve that I look to improve my genetics and to improve my pasture and maybe decrease my stocking rate a bit to ease the load.

Ken

Not to argue with Ken but my idea of better cow is different than his. I'd rather run more cows and wean calves that are in the middle to lighter side of what others in my area are producing. That is something you need to pencil out for yourself as production costs vary greatly from region to region. My point in saying that is that you really need to figure out what works where you are.

Re: What makes you a better cattleman?

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:11 am
by wbvs58
cow pollinater wrote:
wbvs58 wrote:I think my desire to have better and better cows. I think it all started soon after I kicked off I put in a set of scales to weigh them. I guess I am obscessed with weaning weights and to achieve that I look to improve my genetics and to improve my pasture and maybe decrease my stocking rate a bit to ease the load.

Ken

Not to argue with Ken but my idea of better cow is different than his. I'd rather run more cows and wean calves that are in the middle to lighter side of what others in my area are producing. That is something you need to pencil out for yourself as production costs vary greatly from region to region. My point in saying that is that you really need to figure out what works where you are.


Yes you are certainly right CP but a set of scales gets you thinking in the right direction, it may not be to get absolutely bigger calves but to keep track of how uniform in weight things are, how various cows are holding their weight. It allows you to measure and make your decisions from there.

Ken