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Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:43 am
by Craig Miller
Never used them before. We are always looking for good places though because as you said Weavers is hard to get into. If you were selling beef sides it would be hard to deal with them. We normally have our appointments set 3 months ahead

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:54 am
by Ridgefarmer63
I've only been doing this 15 years but, this is what I've found.

You take home 50%-70% of the hanging weight. (the majority fall into the 55% to 62% range) Yes, I weigh the boxes on my scale and have witnessed 90% of the rail weight numbers (assuming their scale is accurate). This is from two different butchers over the years.

One obvious factor that affects %'s is whether the animal was deboned or not.

Another thing I've noticed is breed differences. Seems to me that the ratio for Angus is better that Herefords. Now before all the Hereford guys slam me, my sample size on Herefords is very small (maybe 5 Hereford's verses 70 or 80 Angus's), but it is what my numbers are showing.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:04 pm
by farmerjan
Just off the top I always tell buyers they will get approx 50% of hanging weight back in edible meat. Anything more is a plus. Like Ridgefarmer63 said, it depends on the amount of deboning. Since i often kill an over 30 month animal, grassfed beef and wanting the good marbling that comes with the little bit older animal, and being finished more at that age on grass, there is more deboning due to no backbones and no T-bones etc. I fine that the jerseys actually give a better percentage of returned beef in part due to the smaller bones, and they do put on some pounds in their little bit older age. Killed a heifer that was nearly 36 months that came up open, 1/2 guernsey 1/2 jersey and she hung at 590 lbs. Got back over 350 lbs total meat and all was deboned except the short ribs I got back. Marbled beautifully, but yellow fat that some don't like. Will eat the first steak tonight.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:32 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I have never heard of the 44% packaged meat vs live animal. That works out to 65% cutability & losing 33% from hanging to packaging. These are common numbers, but cutability will range mostly between 62% - 65%. At 62% it would be more like 41%.
I tell my customers they will lose 1/3 of the hanging weight.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:08 pm
by Son of Butch
1250 lbs live weight x 44% = 550 lbs take home

Here's my math:
1250 lb steer (over night stand, no gut fill) x 62.5% = 781 h.w.
8-9 days hanging = 30% shrinkage and trim losses
30% x 781 = 234 lbs 781 - 234 = 547 lbs take home

547 lbs is 43.8% of 1250 lbs or Roughly 44% of live weight

Hanging 15 - 29 days results in over 33% shrink with trim losses, dry aging vs wet aging will be even more

Gut filled 1300 lb steer x 42% live weight = 546 lbs take home
1300 x 60.1% = 781 lbs h.w.
781 lbs x 70% = 547 lbs
547 lbs is 42.1% of 1300

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:58 am
by boondocks
Our prices for grassfed Angus are not the cheapest around. (I have wondered whether one outfit who advertises grassfed is actually selling grained. Either that or I would love to know how he hasn't gone under; he undercuts us grassfed sellers by almost half sometimes). So, while I want to properly set expectations for the final weight, I think customers would go running into the night if I tried to be ultraconservative and tell them to expect a 50% loss.
Based on the amount of meat we got and how much space it took up, I don't think we lost more than 25%. Maybe 30% tops. I think going forward I will use the ~1/3 figure that it looks like Jeanne and Butch use.
Thanks for all the comments. Please add any other thoughts--this is very helpful. We pick up the other steer Sat. and I think I will figure out a "way to weigh."

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:27 am
by Son of Butch
First time buyers might ask take home weight expectations otherwise it usually doesn't come up.
They pay me for hanging weight and how they want it processed is between them and the butcher.
Usually they pick up their half from the butcher not me. I have thrown in free delivery sometimes to close a sale.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:40 am
by boondocks
Son of Butch wrote:First time buyers might ask take home weight expectations otherwise it usually doesn't come up.
They pay me for hanging weight and how they want it processed is between them and the butcher.
Usually they pick up their half from the butcher not me. I have thrown in free delivery sometimes to close a sale.


We pick up and deliver. A lot of them (so far) are newbies at buying a quarter (or, less often, a half), so we give them a good bit of hand-holding. They fill out the cut sheet and we deliver it to the butcher, with the cow.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:06 am
by Turkeybird
How much are you folks charging

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:30 pm
by Son of Butch
Last one sold 2.59 lb plus processing currently advertising 2.39 for 2 weeks with no response. :(
Appears I'm going to have to lower my price, a local producer is advertising 1.90 for holsteins and 2.15 for beef

The top Grassfed producer in the state advertises USDA inspected grassfed beef quarters 3.99 plus .70 processing.
His farm has been on TV cooking shows on PBS and he sells to featured restaurants.
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Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:43 pm
by Son of Butch
boondocks wrote:They fill out the cut sheet and we deliver it to the butcher, with the cow.

I would suggest not saying "Cow" unless you're selling a cow.
Otherwise they'll end up repeating it to a know it all friend who will say they got ripped off.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:01 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
Yes, terminology in our business these days is extremely important. Sad, but true.
You are HARVESTING a finished STEER at the PROCESSORS.

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:12 pm
by Workinonit Farm
Son of Butch wrote:
boondocks wrote:They fill out the cut sheet and we deliver it to the butcher, with the cow.

I would suggest not saying "Cow" unless you're selling a cow.
Otherwise they'll end up repeating it to a know it all friend who will say they got ripped off.


Maybe they are, actually selling them a 'cow'.

But that does drive me nuts. We have new neighbors (city folk) and the husband calls me one day to tell me one of my "cows" has been laying out in the field for quite some time, and its all by itself. The "cow" he was referring to was a calf. He calls everything I have a "cow". He kept thinking I was pulling his leg, with regard to the bull, because the bull doesn't have horns. :roll:

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:00 am
by boondocks
Son of Butch wrote:
boondocks wrote:They fill out the cut sheet and we deliver it to the butcher, with the cow.

I would suggest not saying "Cow" unless you're selling a cow.
Otherwise they'll end up repeating it to a know it all friend who will say they got ripped off.


I do call a steer a steer. But for example, last summer we butchered a 2 yo female that wouldn't breed. I guess technically that makes her a heifer but that's a distinction that would be lost on many customers...
We're very clear that they're buying a quarter or half.
Am I doing something wrong?

Re: Hanging weights/final weights

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:04 am
by Son of Butch
No, not doing anything wrong, but could be confusing to newbie city customers is all... everyone knows cows are
for milking not eating. :)