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Buying a Bull

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:08 pm
by ChipC
I am planning on going to look at a bull that I am interested in buying this week. The bull is registered and I am paying what I consider a premium price. This is my first experience buying a registered bull and I was wondering if there is anything in particular I should look for on the registration to know that the bull on paper is the bull I am buying? I know this may sound silly to ask but I know in the horse buying and trading world it is not uncommon to run across some crooks. Horse registration papers often have special markings listed on the paper work (feet colorings, neck patches, etc...), but I don't think cow papers do. If I am being over paranoid, it will not hurt my feelings to tell me.

Thanks in advance!

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:24 pm
by ALACOWMAN
ChipC wrote:I am planning on going to look at a bull that I am interested in buying this week. The bull is registered and I am paying what I consider a premium price. This is my first experience buying a registered bull and I was wondering if there is anything in particular I should look for on the registration to know that the bull on paper is the bull I am buying? I know this may sound silly to ask but I know in the horse buying and trading world it is not uncommon to run across some crooks. Horse registration papers often have special markings listed on the paper work (feet colorings, neck patches, etc...), but I don't think cow papers do. If I am being over paranoid, it will not hurt my feelings to tell me.

Thanks in advance!
is the seller a well known, reputable breeder? The Good ones do not!want a bad rep....

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:26 pm
by slick4591
Some breed associations require an ear tattoo to match the papers.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:42 pm
by ChipC
It appears to be a reputable breeder. They are listed on Brangus breeders.net and a have good looking website.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:27 pm
by Franke
In the Simmentals it's a tattoo that has to be on the paper. Are you going to sell or register his offspring? If not and you weren't looking for a heifer bull I wouldn't worry too much.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:15 pm
by Rafter S
I don't doubt that it's happened, but I've never heard of someone cheating a buyer that way. I wouldn't worry about it.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:44 pm
by Chocolate Cow
I only can speak to Angus:
The only way to know without a doubt if you own the bull that's listed on the registration paper is to do a DNA test.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:52 am
by boondocks
Chocolate Cow wrote:I only can speak to Angus:
The only way to know without a doubt if you own the bull that's listed on the registration paper is to do a DNA test.

Well, I guess you can check the ear tattoo. I suppose theoretically someone could fudge that but I have never heard of it. The entire biz is predicated on a certain amount of honesty...

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:37 pm
by NonTypicalCPA
Belted Galloways need an ear tatoo if registered.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:01 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
If in doubt of the integrity of the seller - don't buy.
I honestly never heard of anyone getting swindled like that. Not saying it hasn't or won't happen.
Tattoo is the only thing you can check - and if they are crooked, they can fix that problem. Make sure there isn't fresh ink!!!! LOL

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:23 pm
by Chocolate Cow
Some years ago I bought several Angus bulls at a registered production sale. For grins & giggles I DNA'd them. One wouldn't match back to the cow. He matched the sire but not his mother. Whoa. The deal got a lot of attention I wasn't prepared for. Angus Assoc ended up pulling his registration paper. Never did figure out who his mother was but there were a lot of people asking questions and pointing fingers.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:46 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
That can happen in big herds calving groups together. A boss cow can steal a calf from another less dominant cow. Calves get swapped (by cows) and owners do not know it.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:54 pm
by slick4591
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:That can happen in big herds calving groups together. A boss cow can steal a calf from another less dominant cow. Calves get swapped (by cows) and owners do not know it.


It would be found out if you had to do DNA test for parentage as there would not be a match.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:13 pm
by dun
slick4591 wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:That can happen in big herds calving groups together. A boss cow can steal a calf from another less dominant cow. Calves get swapped (by cows) and owners do not know it.


It would be found out if you had to do DNA test for parentage as there would not be a match.

Pricey to do it on every calf. The Red Angus Association requires DNA on all bulls to register their calves.

Re: Buying a Bull

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:26 pm
by slick4591
dun wrote:Pricey to do it on every calf. The Red Angus Association requires DNA on all bulls to register their calves.


Both Pied associations requires it done on all registered animals. I think it runs around $60 per animal.