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Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:02 am

I only have 5 mommas on my farm and plan on keeping at that level. I have high expectations from my current bull, which is only 25 months old. His first calf crop is turning out great and he is very easy to work around. Assuming my cows all produce consistently in the coming years, is there any down side to hanging onto this bull for 8 to 10 years? My plan is to sell all of my calves, and replace any poorly performing cows with outside blood, so inbreeding won't be a problem. My herd is registered belties if that makes any difference. Unless I get a mismarked animal my hope is to sell all the calves as breeding stock.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby dun » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:38 am

The only down side I see is what is he going to do when he isn;t breeding cows? That isn;t just a long term bull but any bull when you have only a few cows
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:41 am

Ya for his sake I'd love to put him over more cows, but I'm limited by pasture, and this is a good size herd for me - many more and it would become work!
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Nesikep » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:00 am

is No bull an option for you? For 5 cows, doing AI sounds pretty reasonable.

If you have a bull, it'll really depend on his individual personality, some will just always look for a way out if they get bored. Otherwise there isn't much of a problem keeping him a long time, I've kept several bulls until they were about 7 or 8.. Only concern would be if they get too heavy and put too much weight on the cow.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Workinonit Farm » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:25 am

The only downside I see, is as dun stated. But, if you don't have anyone anywhere within a 1/2 mile of you with cows, the bull shouldn't be a problem as far as wanting to "wander". But as he gets older, if starts tearing stuff up, then that could be a problem.

FWIW, have a friend who had a Brahma bull for about 15 years. The old buggar died when he was about 17. He only kept one heifer, which is still a cow in his "herd" today. He sold all the calves except that 1. He would bring in new cows/heifers as replacements. Old 'Bruno' (as he called him) never gave him any problems.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Ky hills » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:33 am

As others have already stated, the main detriment I can think of is the bull would likely get hard to contain as he gets older and bigger. I have tried keeping bulls for a few years, never have gotten past 5 yrs. Most haven't lasted that long until they were causing trouble. For a while I was trying AI and cleaning up with yearlings. Now I am pushing it again with planning to winter a coming 3 and 2 yr. old bulls. I think they will likely be ok this winter and spring, but may have to out wheels under them this time next year.
Also another detriment is that bulls can be destructive, just in scratching and rubbing their heads and necks on things. Had a 3 yr old once that would push a gate open, to get in the barn lot. Sold him because I was afraid he would try that with a gate that led out to the road.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Lucky_P » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:21 pm

While infertility or injury can strike at any age, on average, bull fertility takes a steep nosedive around 7 years of age.
Last bull we had stayed around here 'til he was right at 10 years of age, but he was only doing cleanup behind AI for the last 7-8 yrs... but wasn't sticking them quite as consistently the last year he was in use.

As others have indicated, they sure can (and do) tear stuff up.
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Postby ALACOWMAN » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:18 pm

If you do,,, do it... a hot wire from he!! a few feet back off the main fence.neigbors has just a few head..bull gets his work caught up,,and goes looking for more...
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:40 pm

Lucky_P wrote: they sure can (and do) tear stuff up.

Some bulls as they age develop bad habits of playing or rubbing extra hard on equipment or whatever they find,
not that they even mean to tear stuff up, but they sure do.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:49 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Lucky_P wrote: they sure can (and do) tear stuff up.

Some bulls as they age develop bad habits of playing or rubbing extra hard on equipment or whatever they find,
not that they even mean to tear stuff up, but they sure do.

Sometimes I wonder if they mean to,or not....
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:12 pm

He's very docile so far. He respects my space and is easy to work around (although I always keep an eye on a bull), and hasn't tore anything up yet. I run 4 strands of poly rope - 3 of which are hot and test at a bit over 10,000 volts - yea they hurt! Nearest cattle are at my vets down the road about 2 miles. I don't have any plans to go the AI route yet.
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Postby ALACOWMAN » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:17 pm

NonTypicalCPA wrote:He's very docile so far. He respects my space and is easy to work around (although I always keep an eye on a bull), and hasn't tore anything up yet. I run 4 strands of poly rope - 3 of which are hot and test at a bit over 10,000 volts - yea they hurt! Nearest cattle are at my vets down the road about 2 miles. I don't have any plans to go the AI route yet.

Not being a smart a.. But those qualities,although favored...don't put a damper on testosterone..
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:37 pm

So far his testosterone hasn't gotten him in trouble. The worst thing he's done is get his nose ring caught on my gate latches when rubbing the posts. Nothing funnier (I feel a little sorry for the guy) that seeing a 1200lb bull stuck to a gate latch by his nose ring.

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Had to add tennis balls to them. He's done it three times in a year.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby dun » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:30 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
Lucky_P wrote: they sure can (and do) tear stuff up.

Some bulls as they age develop bad habits of playing or rubbing extra hard on equipment or whatever they find,
not that they even mean to tear stuff up, but they sure do.

Sometimes I wonder if they mean to,or not....

That's why we're selling our 2 1/2 year old bull. Calm, easy going just a horrible player and destroys everything.
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Re: Any detriments to keeping a bull long-term?

Postby Workinonit Farm » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:55 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
Lucky_P wrote: they sure can (and do) tear stuff up.

Some bulls as they age develop bad habits of playing or rubbing extra hard on equipment or whatever they find,
not that they even mean to tear stuff up, but they sure do.

Sometimes I wonder if they mean to,or not....


I had one that beat the snot out of a 10 to 12 long, heavy-duty Rubbermaid-type molded plastic feed trough. He would bunt and roll that thing through the field.
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