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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby TexasBred » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:19 pm

Jogeephus wrote:In Ohio you can sell milk by shares. Sell of raw milk for human consumption is illegal in Kentucky. Here is a link.

https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.p ... eID=005192



Joe do you know how to milk?? Thought maybe we could buy a couple of cows, pasture them down in Georgia, register the business in Texas, you can milk the cows and bottle the milk and I'll come by and get my half of the money every Saturday. :cowboy:
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby Jogeephus » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:35 pm

TexasBred wrote:
Jogeephus wrote:In Ohio you can sell milk by shares. Sell of raw milk for human consumption is illegal in Kentucky. Here is a link.

https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.p ... eID=005192



Joe do you know how to milk?? Thought maybe we could buy a couple of cows, pasture them down in Georgia, register the business in Texas, you can milk the cows and bottle the milk and I'll come by and get my half of the money every Saturday. :cowboy:


Heck yeah I can milk but if you are going to get half and I'll pay the state and federal government 40% then that only leaves 10% which is supposed to go to the church and that isn't looking to good for me. Way I got it figured we are going to have to buy a bunch more cows to make it worth my time.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby TexasBred » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:50 pm

Jogeephus wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
Jogeephus wrote:In Ohio you can sell milk by shares. Sell of raw milk for human consumption is illegal in Kentucky. Here is a link.

https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.p ... eID=005192



Joe do you know how to milk?? Thought maybe we could buy a couple of cows, pasture them down in Georgia, register the business in Texas, you can milk the cows and bottle the milk and I'll come by and get my half of the money every Saturday. :cowboy:


Heck yeah I can milk but if you are going to get half and I'll pay the state and federal government 40% then that only leaves 10% which is supposed to go to the church and that isn't looking to good for me. Way I got it figured we are going to have to buy a bunch more cows to make it worth my time.

That will work. Just as long as I get my "Share". :lol: :lol: :hide:
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby farmerjan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:13 pm

If you are wondering which states allow what, go to "realmilk.com . It's the Weston A Price foundation and they list each state and the status of raw milk ; sales, shares, NO-NO or whatever. Plus gives very informative info and some studies etc to back it up. Also Dr. Mercola. com has a website and touts all the benefits of " real food" , raw milk, vegs and the dangers of so many things that are in the food we eat. Read about the flouride in the toothpaste, and the aluminum in deoderants and anti-perspirants. Being informed is what will help anyone make intelligent decisions....and KNOW THE SOURCE of any food is what will keep you protected from stuff that can kill you.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby HDRider » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:58 am

ddd75 wrote:
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ddd75 wrote:guy down the road is milking like 8 or 10 cows, and is all setup to sell to individuals. i think he's selling it for 3 or 4 dollars / gallon.


Is this below the radar? Just curious.

no it's legal

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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby ddd75 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:56 am

HDRider wrote:
ddd75 wrote:
Jogeephus wrote:
Is this below the radar? Just curious.

no it's legal

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http://www.ncsl.org/research/agricultur ... -2012.aspx



he's not selling raw milk.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby HDRider » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:30 am

"The bottom line is dairy farmers are going to go out of business if something doesn't change," said John J. King, a fellow dairy farmer from Pequea. "There will always be farmers in America, I believe, but it will be a corporate business."

Morrissey's conclusions are even more pointed.

"We do know the people in this room and the people they represent are going bankrupt," he says. "They are getting less money and it costs more to make the milk. They are operating on borrowed money. They're being eliminated."

Morrissey says the spiral for the milk industry is so dire that he predicts many Plain Sect dairy farmers in Lancaster County will be forced to abandon their cows within 10 years.

http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Under- ... 259301.php
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HDRider wrote:"The bottom line is dairy farmers are going to go out of business if something doesn't change," said John J. King, a fellow dairy farmer from Pequea. "There will always be farmers in America, I believe, but it will be a corporate business."

Morrissey's conclusions are even more pointed.

"We do know the people in this room and the people they represent are going bankrupt," he says. "They are getting less money and it costs more to make the milk. They are operating on borrowed money. They're being eliminated."

Morrissey says the spiral for the milk industry is so dire that he predicts many Plain Sect dairy farmers in Lancaster County will be forced to abandon their cows within 10 years.

http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Under- ... 259301.php


Call me a conspiracy kook, but this I think is by design. Vertical integration of the dairy industry. Pitiful, in my opinion. Control the food, control the people.
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Postby farmerjan » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:51 pm

The Mennonites here in the Shen Valley are all talking about money and milk prices etc.; and they never used to say a thing about money in any form. They are also being squeezed so tight that there are some that are going out too. The thing here now is the poultry houses going up on land that was once grazing and crop land for cattle. It's all controlled by the companies that handle the poultry business. They will guarantee a contract for 7 years....but it will take a farmer 15 years to pay off the cost of the building....what happens if they don't get their contract renewed????? And no sooner do the farmers get it paid off then the poultry company requires some renovations, or want you to convert from hens to toms or vice versa....and there are more renovations to do....

Yep, it is vertical integrating and all about control....
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Postby ddd75 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:12 am

farmerjan wrote:The Mennonites here in the Shen Valley are all talking about money and milk prices etc.; and they never used to say a thing about money in any form. They are also being squeezed so tight that there are some that are going out too. The thing here now is the poultry houses going up on land that was once grazing and crop land for cattle. It's all controlled by the companies that handle the poultry business. They will guarantee a contract for 7 years....but it will take a farmer 15 years to pay off the cost of the building....what happens if they don't get their contract renewed????? And no sooner do the farmers get it paid off then the poultry company requires some renovations, or want you to convert from hens to toms or vice versa....and there are more renovations to do....

Yep, it is vertical integrating and all about control....

be like joel and process and sell your own chickens.

take the control back.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby Nesikep » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:10 pm

Workinonit Farm wrote:
HDRider wrote:"The bottom line is dairy farmers are going to go out of business if something doesn't change," said John J. King, a fellow dairy farmer from Pequea. "There will always be farmers in America, I believe, but it will be a corporate business."

Morrissey's conclusions are even more pointed.

"We do know the people in this room and the people they represent are going bankrupt," he says. "They are getting less money and it costs more to make the milk. They are operating on borrowed money. They're being eliminated."

Morrissey says the spiral for the milk industry is so dire that he predicts many Plain Sect dairy farmers in Lancaster County will be forced to abandon their cows within 10 years.

http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Under- ... 259301.php


Call me a conspiracy kook, but this I think is by design. Vertical integration of the dairy industry. Pitiful, in my opinion. Control the food, control the people.

And control the money supply, control the country.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby farmerjan » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:58 pm

You can take the control back to a degree. In Va you are only "allowed " to process 3,000 birds a year before you have to meet a different set of requirements.... he has an outside processing facility.

Once you get the house paid for then yes you could do something like that, but those houses are meant to FAST grow out 22,000 every 45 days....The poultry company pays the feed, and LP for heat for the baby chicks, and then pays you for your labor basically, based on rate of gain etc.. And since the thing that makes the money is free range, the houses are not much benefit.... but developing a market is really tough too. I think it is getting somewhat saturated because the prices are much higher on the finished bird. And they grow slower when in a range situation.
There is also ALOT of time put into developing the market and then you also have to deal with liability. It certainly isn't as rosy a picture as he paints.

Believe me, Mennonites are not above really pushing for these houses and the fast track to making a little money.... The things you see BEHIND the scenes...
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Postby Workinonit Farm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:21 pm

farmerjan wrote:You can take the control back to a degree. In Va you are only "allowed " to process 3,000 birds a year before you have to meet a different set of requirements.... he has an outside processing facility.

Once you get the house paid for then yes you could do something like that, but those houses are meant to FAST grow out 22,000 every 45 days....The poultry company pays the feed, and LP for heat for the baby chicks, and then pays you for your labor basically, based on rate of gain etc.. And since the thing that makes the money is free range, the houses are not much benefit.... but developing a market is really tough too. I think it is getting somewhat saturated because the prices are much higher on the finished bird. And they grow slower when in a range situation.
There is also ALOT of time put into developing the market and then you also have to deal with liability. It certainly isn't as rosy a picture as he paints.

Believe me, Mennonites are not above really pushing for these houses and the fast track to making a little money.... The things you see BEHIND the scenes...


There are ALOT of poultry houses on your side of the mountains. There's a bunch here, on the Eastern side, but I think there's more in the valley. There's processors on that side. I remember passing, I think it was Wampler or Tyson, one time near Dayton, and there were a couple of "stray" turkeys marching around the intersection! LOL I think ot was not too far from Eastern Mennonite University.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby ddd75 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:08 am

farmerjan wrote:You can take the control back to a degree. In Va you are only "allowed " to process 3,000 birds a year before you have to meet a different set of requirements.... he has an outside processing facility.

Once you get the house paid for then yes you could do something like that, but those houses are meant to FAST grow out 22,000 every 45 days....The poultry company pays the feed, and LP for heat for the baby chicks, and then pays you for your labor basically, based on rate of gain etc.. And since the thing that makes the money is free range, the houses are not much benefit.... but developing a market is really tough too. I think it is getting somewhat saturated because the prices are much higher on the finished bird. And they grow slower when in a range situation.
There is also ALOT of time put into developing the market and then you also have to deal with liability. It certainly isn't as rosy a picture as he paints.

Believe me, Mennonites are not above really pushing for these houses and the fast track to making a little money.... The things you see BEHIND the scenes...



it's not as easy as he makes it look, no doubt.

I'm going to look into doing it.. For my family at first and then try to market some. We can do 10k birds here last time I checked. Near zero infrastructure and we don't have anyone around here doing that kind of thing. We are getting WAY too populated over here but the one benefit is all these people have a ton of money to blow.
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Re: Milk: $1.37 a gallon

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:33 pm

It's crazy what the government decides is healthy vs unhealthy. Our family has been drinking raw milk for about 10 years and have no plans on going back anytime soon. We use to pasteurize it ourselves when the kids were little, but that stopped about 4 years ago. I use to drink 1/2% as a kid because I thought whole milk was gross. Now even the 2% is nasty compared to whole milk. The flavor can't be beat. We're in Michigan and have a share in a local herd.
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