buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

The place to start if you are new!
plumber_greg
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1294
Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:51 pm
Location: NW Missouri

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby plumber_greg » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:54 am

Bigfoot wrote:I've had several over the years, and have a few now. You've got some misconceptions. First 1200 pounds of momma cow is going to eat X amount of roughage. Doesn't matter if that's one beef cow, or two corriente. Some charlois cross calves, do pass for beef calves. They won't be super performers, with exceptional weaning weights.

Yes, your LH/corriente cow will cost less on the front end. She will also produce less for her entire career, and bring less when she pounded out at retirement.

I speak from experience when I make this statement------If somebody walked up and said, "I'm feeling generous, I'll give you one nice beef cow, or two average LH cows." I'd take the beef cow.

This is what I am trying to figure out. Bigfoot, believe me when I say I am not calling you out.
Is it the intention of many calf/cow men to fool the buyers, that you depend on to buy your calves, into thinking that you have cattle that they would want to pay for to feed?
Do they do this knowing that they are trying to hide something they know the buyer would not want?
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, upper and central Midwest, we want the feedlots to know exactly what they are buying. gs
1 x
Just call me plumberscrack

Muddy
GURU
GURU
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:08 pm
Location: Cold place!!!

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Muddy » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:12 am

plumber_greg wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:I've had several over the years, and have a few now. You've got some misconceptions. First 1200 pounds of momma cow is going to eat X amount of roughage. Doesn't matter if that's one beef cow, or two corriente. Some charlois cross calves, do pass for beef calves. They won't be super performers, with exceptional weaning weights.

Yes, your LH/corriente cow will cost less on the front end. She will also produce less for her entire career, and bring less when she pounded out at retirement.

I speak from experience when I make this statement------If somebody walked up and said, "I'm feeling generous, I'll give you one nice beef cow, or two average LH cows." I'd take the beef cow.

This is what I am trying to figure out. Bigfoot, believe me when I say I am not calling you out.
Is it the intention of many calf/cow men to fool the buyers, that you depend on to buy your calves, into thinking that you have cattle that they would want to pay for to feed?
Do they do this knowing that they are trying to hide something they know the buyer would not want?
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, upper and central Midwest, we want the feedlots to know exactly what they are buying. gs

So which breed do you think we should use to selling the feeders to the feedlots?
0 x

User avatar
Brute 23
GURU
GURU
Posts: 6393
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:59 pm
Location: South Texas Gulf Coast

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Brute 23 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:12 am

plumber_greg wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:I've had several over the years, and have a few now. You've got some misconceptions. First 1200 pounds of momma cow is going to eat X amount of roughage. Doesn't matter if that's one beef cow, or two corriente. Some charlois cross calves, do pass for beef calves. They won't be super performers, with exceptional weaning weights.

Yes, your LH/corriente cow will cost less on the front end. She will also produce less for her entire career, and bring less when she pounded out at retirement.

I speak from experience when I make this statement------If somebody walked up and said, "I'm feeling generous, I'll give you one nice beef cow, or two average LH cows." I'd take the beef cow.

This is what I am trying to figure out. Bigfoot, believe me when I say I am not calling you out.
Is it the intention of many calf/cow men to fool the buyers, that you depend on to buy your calves, into thinking that you have cattle that they would want to pay for to feed?
Do they do this knowing that they are trying to hide something they know the buyer would not want?
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, upper and central Midwest, we want the feedlots to know exactly what they are buying. gs


That is my thing with this Char X Longhorn deal. I think eventually the buyers will catch on.
0 x
Brimmer Pimpin Ain't Easy

User avatar
Bigfoot
Mentor
Mentor
Posts: 11120
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:31 pm
Location: Kentucky

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Bigfoot » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:21 am

[quote="plumber_greg":be nice][quote="Bigfoot":be nice]I've had several over the years, and have a few now. You've got some misconceptions. First 1200 pounds of momma cow is going to eat X amount of roughage. Doesn't matter if that's one beef cow, or two corriente. [b:be nice]Some charlois cross calves, do pass for beef calves[/b:be nice]. They won't be super performers, with exceptional weaning weights.

Yes, your LH/corriente cow will cost less on the front end. She will also produce less for her entire career, and bring less when she pounded out at retirement.

I speak from experience when I make this statement------If somebody walked up and said, "I'm feeling generous, I'll give you one nice beef cow, or two average LH cows." I'd take the beef cow.[/quote:be nice]
This is what I am trying to figure out. Bigfoot, believe me when I say I am not calling you out.
Is it the intention of many calf/cow men to fool the buyers, that you depend on to buy your calves, into thinking that you have cattle that they would want to pay for to feed?
Do they do this knowing that they are trying to hide something they know the buyer would not want?
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, upper and central Midwest, we want the feedlots to know exactly what they are buying. gs[/quote:be nice]

I totally get what your saying. No, I don't think a knowledge order buyer can be deceived. If the calf does deceive them, then it's probably going to be alright anyway----if that even made sense.
0 x
A tumble bug makes a hard livin. Why? Cause that's just the way be nice is.

NolanCountyAG
Trail Boss
Trail Boss
Posts: 280
Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:18 pm
Location: Nolan County TX

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby NolanCountyAG » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:26 pm

Lots of money to be made on corrientes.... Just not at the sale barn. Number 1 ropers are bringing more than a good 600# steer around here. Roping cattle are in high demand in the right areas.
0 x

User avatar
BRYANT
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1018
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:56 pm
Location: Okie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:15 am

What is there to catch on ???????????? your taking a cow that not real fleshy, Longhorn, breeding her to a bull that is real fleshy, Char. or what ever you choose, and making calves that will go to a feed lot and feed out good. I don't know about Corrientes most of them that I see is little pot licker cows but there Is some big Longhorn cows that will raise a big nice calf breed to the right bull. What are you hiding SPOTS and why do they dock you for them ? because they can and they will on other breeds as well and it all because they can, cause you don't eat the hide. Will a Simm. with white bring as much as one that's not, most places it will not, same cow and same bull raise an all black calf this year and one with chrome next year the same buyers will dock you cause they can. Its a racket they have between their selves. Same with eared cattle 1/4 eared steers will do great in a feed lot these sales that dock you its a racket and I wont sell there cause there is sales that eared cattle will do fine in.
I was at a sale a couple years back when they brought about 50 longhorn pairs in, Char. calves, unloaded the pairs split the calves off put the cows right back on the trailer and took them home. was not trying to hide anything they knew they had some good calves and did not need to hide anything. and was at a sale that has some buyers that will not dock you just because they can.

A few years back I seen a 106 head at another sale same deal good big cows and good calves nothing to hide.

I went by that pasture I said I would a few post back but all he had was the cows and bulls but no calves so I did not take any pictures. His cows are all what we would refer to as ''not real fleshy'' cattle like lots of longhorns, dairy cows, some Brahman cross, just cheap big frame cows with Char. bulls on them and I saw the calves they were nice and they were going to grow out to be big cattle.
there aint nothing to catch on to, they done did it and if they would not feed out they would not buy them all they are trying to do now is find another way to dock the producer for something that does not really matter any ways.
2 x
God Bless America Again, Help Us To See All Lives Matter

User avatar
RanchMan90
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1192
Joined: Thu May 19, 2016 1:07 pm
Location: Southeast Oklahoma

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby RanchMan90 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:37 am

BRYANT wrote:What is there to catch on ???????????? your taking a cow that not real fleshy, Longhorn, breeding her to a bull that is real fleshy, Char. or what ever you choose, and making calves that will go to a feed lot and feed out good. I don't know about Corrientes most of them that I see is little pot licker cows but there Is some big Longhorn cows that will raise a big nice calf breed to the right bull. What are you hiding SPOTS and why do they dock you for them ? because they can and they will on other breeds as well and it all because they can, cause you don't eat the hide. Will a Simm. with white bring as much as one that's not, most places it will not, same cow and same bull raise an all black calf this year and one with chrome next year the same buyers will dock you cause they can. Its a racket they have between their selves. Same with eared cattle 1/4 eared steers will do great in a feed lot these sales that dock you its a racket and I wont sell there cause there is sales that eared cattle will do fine in.
I was at a sale a couple years back when they brought about 50 longhorn pairs in, Char. calves, unloaded the pairs split the calves off put the cows right back on the trailer and took them home. was not trying to hide anything they knew they had some good calves and did not need to hide anything. and was at a sale that has some buyers that will not dock you just because they can.

A few years back I seen a 106 head at another sale same deal good big cows and good calves nothing to hide.

I went by that pasture I said I would a few post back but all he had was the cows and bulls but no calves so I did not take any pictures. His cows are all what we would refer to as ''not real fleshy'' cattle like lots of longhorns, dairy cows, some Brahman cross, just cheap big frame cows with Char. bulls on them and I saw the calves they were nice and they were going to grow out to be big cattle.
there aint nothing to catch on to, they done did it and if they would not feed out they would not buy them all they are trying to do now is find another way to dock the producer for something that does not really matter any ways.

What area in Southeast Oklahoma?
0 x
The secret to getting ahead is getting started ~ Mark Twain

User avatar
BRYANT
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1018
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:56 pm
Location: Okie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:39 am

RanchMan90 wrote:What area in Southeast Oklahoma?

I will PM you
0 x
God Bless America Again, Help Us To See All Lives Matter

callmefence
GURU
GURU
Posts: 3466
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:36 pm
Location: Fencemans place...central Texas

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby callmefence » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:41 am

Anybody interested Jordans is gonna sell a bunch next week.

http://www.jordancattle.com/index.html
0 x
IF IT AIN'T TIGHT IT AIN'T RIGHT...


You can all go to he// . I'll go to Texas.
David Crockett

jedstivers
GURU
GURU
Posts: 5787
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:32 pm
Location: Marianna Arkansas (East Central)

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby jedstivers » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:57 pm

I didn't read all three pages so this might be a repeat.
Unless you want them to rope don't do it. Junk is junk is junk.
The really nice "yard ornament" long horns usually don't go through the barn or cheap.
I've been setting at three sales a week buying calves and I'm astounded at the amount of sorry, no good genetic trash coming through. It's tough getting good calves.
I set and think these people could grow a good calf for just a little more. As it is they are taking a lot less for what the send to town.
2 x

cow pollinater
GURU
GURU
Posts: 5624
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:33 pm
Location: Eastern OK

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby cow pollinater » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:35 pm

same cow and same bull raise an all black calf this year and one with chrome next year the same buyers will dock you cause they can. Its a racket they have between their selves.

It's order buying. If there are five order buyers in the same sale and three only have orders for black calves and two have orders for reds or white face and only one has an order for chrome/off colors then anything not black has less bidders and the one with an order for chrome is only bidding against the locals. That's why you see so many black dinks sell for more than what quality calves of others sell for... Their order is to buy black calves and there are usually a few people bidding.
0 x

ALACOWMAN
Mentor
Mentor
Posts: 13937
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:16 pm
Location: heart of dixie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby ALACOWMAN » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:14 pm

Any order buyer that's fooled by them... Needs to find a new career..if they ain't already...maybe something where they use their hands,not so much their eyes..
2 x
Santa Claus, the ultimate Yankee....

User avatar
BRYANT
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1018
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:56 pm
Location: Okie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:57 pm

cow pollinater wrote:
same cow and same bull raise an all black calf this year and one with chrome next year the same buyers will dock you cause they can. Its a racket they have between their selves.

It's order buying. If there are five order buyers in the same sale and three only have orders for black calves and two have orders for reds or white face and only one has an order for chrome/off colors then anything not black has less bidders and the one with an order for chrome is only bidding against the locals. That's why you see so many black dinks sell for more than what quality calves of others sell for... Their order is to buy black calves and there are usually a few people bidding.

that is why you need to know the sale before you take them kind of cattle to it
KB
0 x
God Bless America Again, Help Us To See All Lives Matter

ALACOWMAN
Mentor
Mentor
Posts: 13937
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:16 pm
Location: heart of dixie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby ALACOWMAN » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:41 pm

BRYANT wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:
same cow and same bull raise an all black calf this year and one with chrome next year the same buyers will dock you cause they can. Its a racket they have between their selves.

It's order buying. If there are five order buyers in the same sale and three only have orders for black calves and two have orders for reds or white face and only one has an order for chrome/off colors then anything not black has less bidders and the one with an order for chrome is only bidding against the locals. That's why you see so many black dinks sell for more than what quality calves of others sell for... Their order is to buy black calves and there are usually a few people bidding.

that is why you need to know the sale before you take them kind of cattle to it
KB
like to see you try and predict that scenario....
0 x
Santa Claus, the ultimate Yankee....

User avatar
BRYANT
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1018
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:56 pm
Location: Okie

Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:40 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
BRYANT wrote:
cow pollinater wrote:It's order buying. If there are five order buyers in the same sale and three only have orders for black calves and two have orders for reds or white face and only one has an order for chrome/off colors then anything not black has less bidders and the one with an order for chrome is only bidding against the locals. That's why you see so many black dinks sell for more than what quality calves of others sell for... Their order is to buy black calves and there are usually a few people bidding.

that is why you need to know the sale before you take them kind of cattle to it
KB
like to see you try and predict that scenario....

I can do it. stay away from them little hole in the wall sales with just a few buyers, like I say there is sales I would not take a Brahman cross to and there is sales I would not take longhorn crosses to.
0 x
God Bless America Again, Help Us To See All Lives Matter


Return to “Beginners Board”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests