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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:35 am

Guess we're talking in circles,, I'm talking about something else...
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Muddy » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:42 am

ALACOWMAN wrote:Guess we're talking in circles,, I'm talking about something else...

And what's that?
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby ALACOWMAN » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:38 pm

Muddy wrote:
ALACOWMAN wrote:Guess we're talking in circles,, I'm talking about something else...

And what's that?
it was in regards to plumber gregs post...
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby jedstivers » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:03 pm

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jedstivers wrote:I didn't read all three pages so this might be a repeat.
Unless you want them to rope don't do it. Junk is junk is junk.
The really nice "yard ornament" long horns usually don't go through the barn or cheap.
I've been setting at three sales a week buying calves and I'm astounded at the amount of sorry, no good genetic trash coming through. It's tough getting good calves.
I set and think these people could grow a good calf for just a little more. As it is they are taking a lot less for what the send to town.


I guess this is where I got the impression that a set of corriente or longhorn cattle would be considered junk, in your opinion. My point is, there is money to be made with horn cows, and in the right situation, they will stuff more $ in the envelope from the sale barn for you than most "good" cows. My point of view is not anecdotal. I have Angus cows, LH cows(some with a little corriente influence), and LH X Angus cows.
We have the horn cows because we used to raise our own ropers. When cattle prices went nuts, I put an angus bull on the horn cows to see what we'd get. My buyer beat me up a little that first year, but has paid a premium ever since. We sell several fat calves for freezer beef, so I saved a few that first year. They out performed the "beef" calves, and their size was more popular(finished 250 or so lighter with a higher yield), as well. My buyers have quite a few cows, and usually have somewhere north of 1,000 head on feed, so I feel like they have a good bead on what they are doing. They bought every LH cross cow and bred heifer I'd sell them last spring, and there must be a reason.
I'm not discounting your knowledge or experience as a buyer/cattleman, but you can't expect to walk through the doors on page 3, admit that you didn't read the thread, call LH/corriente cows junk, and walk back out without some resistance.

I can come in at page 3 and tell what I see.
Every single one that has come through is junk. I'm sure some like you are growing some good ones. However they aren't coming through the barns here in AR.
I was also talking about all the breeds of junk I see come through. It's unreal the amount of sorry cattle that are produced when for just a little more good cattle can be produced.
And for what it's worth I have in the past thought about buyin LH cows and putting char bulls on them.
However I wasn't under the impression they would make great calves.
But I have since decided instead of putting LH cattle on scrub it would be more profitable to put good cattle there and supplement with a little feed.
I still like raising calves better anyway and don't want any cows.
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby greybeard » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:23 pm

I still like raising calves better anyway and don't want any cows.

I don't know anyone around here (myself included) that hasn't thought along those same lines at least once in the last 10 years.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:40 pm

No ---- I love my cows. Love calving.
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Postby BRYANT » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:10 pm

bball wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:There's no debate about it dairy cows grade and taste better than beef cows on a percentage basis.


I did not know this. Thank you. I learned something.

This dairy subject was beat to death a few years back on another post and to this day I don't know why people that say that are not runny dairy bulls on their cows or dairy cows for that matter but they are not.
just another debate that is a waste of time.
But Holstein cows got to be good most of them are at least 1/2 black in color.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 am

No one is saying dairy cattle make the best feedlot cattle.
It is a FACT that they MARBLE better than beef cattle. Jersey being number one.
This does not mean everyone should be breeding to them. Let's get real.
MEAT and conversion of feed to muscle plays a big role in what does well on the feedlot.
Heavy milking is highly correlated to marbling. that is why Simmental is a high marbling breed.
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:28 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:No one is saying dairy cattle make the best feedlot cattle.
It is a FACT that they MARBLE better than beef cattle. Jersey being number one.
This does not mean everyone should be breeding to them. Let's get real.
MEAT and conversion of feed to muscle plays a big role in what does well on the feedlot.
Heavy milking is highly correlated to marbling. that is why Simmental is a high marbling breed.

I am just saying I have kill a BUNCH of cattle I did not see it. Prime is the goal sounds as if you all at least should be running a Jersey bull. Heavy milking you don't get much better milking than some of your Brahman cows and if a feeder has enough Brahman in it to have much of a hump they wont grade either. There again that's just what I saw from the bad second tier plant I worked at. Maybe them good dairy cattle cost so much to feed that our plant could not afford them ?? If it takes longer to feed them that could be a problem also, I have seen beef that marbled good but the Inspector would not grade them ''prime'' said they were to old. He could tell that by sticking his knife in certain back bone down from the tail bone. somehow I don't remember the details that's been several years ago. There is more than marbling to get a prime out side fat covers also plays a part.
All joking aside if what you all are saying is true wonder how a Jersey X Char. cross would be, might be worth looking in to ???
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby True Grit Farms » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:42 am

Jersey crossed with Angus properly fed can grade prime over 80% of the time. There's a guy in Virginia that does this, he's the largest exporter of US beef to Canada. He says it's all in the feed, but you can't reach those numbers without the Jersey in the mix.
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby BRYANT » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:07 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:Jersey crossed with Angus properly fed can grade prime over 80% of the time. There's a guy in Virginia that does this, he's the largest exporter of US beef to Canada. He says it's all in the feed, but you can't reach those numbers without the Jersey in the mix.

I just said Char. cause that's what we had been talking about but any good beef type cattle would probably work. I know back in the day Grandpa used to do a lot of trading on milk cows to be used as family milk cows. It was a good deal people would milk the cow and breed her to a beef type bull, most of the time a Hereford or Angus, and raise it for a beef. I don't know how well they graded but it made a family happy, milk and beef. I miss them days sometimes fresh milk and look out the window and see a farmed raised beef hanging from a tree chilling. :D :D
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Bestoutwest » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:07 pm

jedstivers wrote:I didn't read all three pages so this might be a repeat.
Unless you want them to rope don't do it. Junk is junk is junk.
The really nice "yard ornament" long horns usually don't go through the barn or cheap.
I've been setting at three sales a week buying calves and I'm astounded at the amount of sorry, no good genetic trash coming through. It's tough getting good calves.
I set and think these people could grow a good calf for just a little more. As it is they are taking a lot less for what the send to town.


I wish I had known this when I started. We started with LH b/c it was cheap and they're pretty. I slaughtered two at close to 24 months that had hanging weights of 288 and 328. I slaughtered a third at 32 months that had a hanging weight of 579. Last week I slaughtered a half angus x LH that weighed in at 570 hanging at 16 months. There's a reason they're so cheap....
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Muddy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:33 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:
jedstivers wrote:I didn't read all three pages so this might be a repeat.
Unless you want them to rope don't do it. Junk is junk is junk.
The really nice "yard ornament" long horns usually don't go through the barn or cheap.
I've been setting at three sales a week buying calves and I'm astounded at the amount of sorry, no good genetic trash coming through. It's tough getting good calves.
I set and think these people could grow a good calf for just a little more. As it is they are taking a lot less for what the send to town.


I wish I had known this when I started. We started with LH b/c it was cheap and they're pretty. I slaughtered two at close to 24 months that had hanging weights of 288 and 328. I slaughtered a third at 32 months that had a hanging weight of 579. Last week I slaughtered a half angus x LH that weighed in at 570 hanging at 16 months. There's a reason they're so cheap....

Well you did have poor quality longhorns. They're not best example of good quality longhorns. A member on here, named Ryan has really nice stock of beef type Longhorns and I've seen few nice beef longhorns that raises big calves.
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby jedstivers » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:07 am

Ryan posted want a LH is supposed to be for sure. Not the genetic trash some have turned them to.
His with a char bull would have made some nice calves.
Alas though, he's another good member no longer posting here.
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Re: buying a set of corriente or longhorn cattle

Postby Bullitt » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:10 am

Newcutter wrote:If bought cheap enough would buy a set of corriente or longhorn be worth buying? if so what would you breed to them.


This guy crossed a Charolais bull and Texas Longhorn cows and got some good looking calves.

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Most of the cost of raising cattle is in feed costs, and I know Texas Longhorns can maintain better than almost any other breeds on pretty rough forage.
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