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Calf buy back

Postby Rniemann » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:29 pm

Anybody currently participating in a program where a seed stock producer is buying back if you use their bull for example? What is the program and do you like it? Pros and cons? Thanks!
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby ALACOWMAN » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:45 pm

Not around here,,youll get a thank you,,maybe a hat or knife.. Then you are on your own...
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Postby Workinonit Farm » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:12 pm

I don't know of any such programs or people, around where I am, that do that.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby NolanCountyAG » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:50 pm

I know express and 44 farms have the programs, not sure on any others.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:51 pm

There was a poster here whose family did that. Gill Red Angus from South Dakota.
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Postby talltimber » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:57 pm

I have heard of a "Beef Alliance" thing here where they provided the bulls and then bought your calves back. I don't know the particulars.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby farmerjan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:56 pm

Red Devons have some sort of program like that. Talked to them a couple of years ago but we weren't ready to try anything, just wanted some info. Also one guy talked about a group that would do ultrasound of ribeye in your cows, and maybe tenderness, and they would buy back all the calves out of the cows that met their program and criteria with the ultrasound results. Don't know much about it but it sounded interesting.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:53 am

Phil Trowbridge, Trowbridge Angus does a similar program. Has for many years. Very successful program. He has a sale barn host his sale. All offspring of his bulls get grouped and sold, and is in conjunction with his bull sale at the same location/same day.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby Dave » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:05 pm

The people who I bought bulls from for years did this. They have retained ownership of their steers and heifers. They would buy calves from people who bought bulls from them and ship to the feedlot with their own calves. They quit doing it because of they ran into too many health issues with the calves from other people.
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Postby Lucky_P » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:31 pm

Folks who bred the current natural service sire (Wayward Hill Farm, Versailles, KY) have a calf buy-back program.
I talked to them earlier this fall about it, and they expressed some interest in the steers and heifers... but when it came time to wean and sell, I didn't have time to fool with the idea of haggling with them... had to get those calves gone while the no-mud window was open. May give them another shout next spring on the next group.

Did a progeny-test breeding trial for a noted Shorthorn operation several years back, with the understanding that they'd pay a premium for the steers... they bought 'em, but sure didn't want to pay any reasonable premium when the time came.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby ALACOWMAN » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:37 pm

I think the biggest problem here, in fact I'm sure it is.. No uniform groups to offer,,and the only background they got is the mountains...
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby MRRherefords » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:43 am

talltimber wrote:I have heard of a "Beef Alliance" thing here where they provided the bulls and then bought your calves back. I don't know the particulars.

We actually have a customer who just recently began participating in something like this. The beef packing company provides a bull for 60-90 days and then buys all the calves from him at weaning time.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby ClinchValley » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:23 am

MRRherefords wrote:
talltimber wrote:I have heard of a "Beef Alliance" thing here where they provided the bulls and then bought your calves back. I don't know the particulars.

We actually have a customer who just recently began participating in something like this. The beef packing company provides a bull for 60-90 days and then buys all the calves from him at weaning time.


What are y'alls thoughts on something like this? Good or bad or could go either way?
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby talltimber » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:12 am

I don't know the particulars of how they determined calf prices. I have heard with this particular setup, the bulls were provided by the Alliance. I don't know if that is true or not. A guy might have to buy a bull from them. I never heard what they were looking for, cow wise. I have a suspicion that they were looking for as many registered cows as they could find so they could promote their bulls for numbers, epd's. This guy was tied in with Sydgen pretty tight I think, and I think he was trying to get in on the MO Angus epd baseline? Someone more knowledgeable than me will have to cover that. Something about the genomics in the state assoc or national even? For some type of baseline reference numbers? I had heard something like that was their angle.
If a guy could get some good bulls, have calves with a doable bw, not be responsible for anything other than body condition, get better than normal prices for his calves, and not have to handle them with one foot up on a panel, then it sounds pretty good. Personally, I am skeptical, and independent.
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Re: Calf buy back

Postby Cucumber35 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:58 pm

There is or at least was a place around here doing that, but rumor is they aren’t doing so good I guess. You use their bulls and they guarantee to buy your feeders. There were some other stipulations also, no implants, dewormer or antibiotics. SubQ injections and other basic BQA type stuff. Not my cup of tea but several guys around were doing it apparently.
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