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Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:00 pm
by Bullitt
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:If I could put together a herd of Hereford cows I'd run a Brahman bull on them. Then breed the heifers to a Brangus bull, and laugh all the way to the bank.


Is that a good three-way cross?

I would think it might not be since Brangus have Brahman genetics. A homozygous black continental European bull such as a Simmental might be better to breed to the Braford heifers/cows.

The best in the south.
http://www.cattlerange.com/B-Tigerstripe.html



I see ads there for Braford/Tigerstripe heifers and cows. That is from the Hereford X Brahman. Am I missing the Braford X Brangus?

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:05 pm
by True Grit Farms
You only have a two way cross using Braford. You come back over the heifers with Braford or whatever one of the three breeds you choose. The choices are endless.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:10 pm
by Bullitt
True Grit Farms wrote:You only have a two way cross using Braford. You come back over the heifers with Braford or whatever one of the three breeds you choose. The choices are endless.


Yes, I understand that. I was just saying I think something like a Simmental would be best to breed to the Braford cows. From what I read, the best results are achieved with three separate breeds. Usually it involves a British breed, such as Hereford, a continental European breed, such as a Simmental, and a breed like Brahman.

If you cross Braford and Brangus, they both have Brahman genetics so you lose some of the potential you can get with a three-way cross, I believe. I may be wrong on this, though.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm
by True Grit Farms
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:You only have a two way cross using Braford. You come back over the heifers with Braford or whatever one of the three breeds you choose. The choices are endless.


Yes, I understand that. I was just saying I think something like a Simmental would be best to breed to the Braford cows. From what I read, the best results are achieved with three separate breeds. Usually it involves a British breed, such as Hereford, a continental European breed, such as a Simmental, and a breed like Brahman.

If you cross Braford and Brangus, they both have Brahman genetics so you lose some of the potential you can get with a three-way cross, I believe. I may be wrong on this, though.

Well I don't know about what the books say, but I'm not into trying to reinvent the wheel. You can try whatever you want, but in the south you can't beat a baldie or tiger stripe for a commercial momma cow. And no matter what the Simmental pimps think, Angus is what adds marble and tenderness to beef.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:30 pm
by Bullitt
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:You only have a two way cross using Braford. You come back over the heifers with Braford or whatever one of the three breeds you choose. The choices are endless.


Yes, I understand that. I was just saying I think something like a Simmental would be best to breed to the Braford cows. From what I read, the best results are achieved with three separate breeds. Usually it involves a British breed, such as Hereford, a continental European breed, such as a Simmental, and a breed like Brahman.

If you cross Braford and Brangus, they both have Brahman genetics so you lose some of the potential you can get with a three-way cross, I believe. I may be wrong on this, though.

Well I don't know about what the books say, but I'm not into trying to reinvent the wheel. You can try whatever you want, but in the south you can't beat a baldie or tiger stripe for a commercial momma cow. And no matter what the Simmental pimps think, Angus is what adds marble and tenderness to beef.




I am not trying to pimp any breed. I agree about Baldies and Tigerstripe cows here in Texas.

I think an Angus bull on Braford cows would be good. It seems that Angus from Scotland and Hereford from England are far enough apart genetically to make a good cross.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:37 pm
by True Grit Farms
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
Yes, I understand that. I was just saying I think something like a Simmental would be best to breed to the Braford cows. From what I read, the best results are achieved with three separate breeds. Usually it involves a British breed, such as Hereford, a continental European breed, such as a Simmental, and a breed like Brahman.

If you cross Braford and Brangus, they both have Brahman genetics so you lose some of the potential you can get with a three-way cross, I believe. I may be wrong on this, though.

Well I don't know about what the books say, but I'm not into trying to reinvent the wheel. You can try whatever you want, but in the south you can't beat a baldie or tiger stripe for a commercial momma cow. And no matter what the Simmental pimps think, Angus is what adds marble and tenderness to beef.




I am not trying to pimp any breed. I agree about Baldies and Tigerstripe cows here in Texas.

I think an Angus bull on Braford cows would be good. It seems that Angus from Scotland and Hereford from England are far enough apart genetically to make a good cross.

Ain't no cattle around here from England and Scotland, there all from the US of A.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:41 pm
by Bullitt
True Grit Farms wrote:
Ain't no cattle around here from England and Scotland, there all from the US of A.


Herefords were developed in England and Angus were developed in Scotland.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:35 am
by True Grit Farms
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Ain't no cattle around here from England and Scotland, there all from the US of A.


Herefords were developed in England and Angus were developed in Scotland.

I believe they were developed long before there was such a place as England or Scotland myself.

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:13 am
by ALACOWMAN
Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Ain't no cattle around here from England and Scotland, there all from the US of A.


Herefords were developed in England and Angus were developed in Scotland.

Cortachy boy..Scottish bull..https://www.google.com/search?q=cortach ... U4XbXSBdRM:

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:06 am
by BigBear
I agree with most comments on this thread about the pairing of the 2 breeds. Hereford seem to be a better fit for cows for many reasons. But good Hereford cows are hard to find here as well. And as someone else already posted, there seem to be Angus bulls for sale everywhere. I’ve always enjoyed Hereford cows and my experience has been they are much more calm than Angus cows. Maybe just my experiences though? Either way, they make a fantastic cross

Re: AngusxHerford

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:53 am
by Grundy53
Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help.