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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby greatgerts » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:44 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
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12 month old Gert bull.


I like him.


Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Allenw » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:38 am

Silver wrote:We buy quite a few yearling bulls from these folks, in fact 3 in this pen are ours, to be delivered in the spring. I think they show a proper amount of masculinity. These folks raise top notch cattle.


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Definitely bulls.

How much selection pressure for calving ease bulls in Canada? I've been thinking to much emphases on calving ease has had a negative effect on masculinity traits. Making all bulls "heifer" bulls shouldn't be the goal.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Silver » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:09 am

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How much selection pressure for calving ease bulls in Canada? I've been thinking to much emphases on calving ease has had a negative effect on masculinity traits. Making all bulls "heifer" bulls shouldn't be the goal.


I think calving ease emphasis varies widely from one producer to another. To some it is the primary focus. It's not my main concern, I'm happy with moderate. At this point in my life I don't mind putting in some extra work as long as we are not losing calves and hurting cows. Because we are barn calving in the cold weather calving ease it not a major concern of mine. If I were calving on a half section on grass I may well have a different take on things.
I agree with you on the over emphasis on calving ease.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:10 pm

greatgerts wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
greatgerts wrote:Image

12 month old Gert bull.


I like him.


Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.


Make sure you take a video of that and share with us!
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby greatgerts » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:36 am

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greatgerts wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
I like him.


Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.


Make sure you take a video of that and share with us!


Not a problem. It is pretty fun to watch.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:45 am

greatgerts wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
greatgerts wrote:Image

12 month old Gert bull.


I like him.


Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.


Nice bull. I too would like to see the video. Are you sure the bull will not break the donkey?

I am halter breaking 14 calves. I started at 6 weeks old. Thus far, all are leading but 2. I dismissed them from class. Lol
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby greatgerts » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:03 am

Bright Raven wrote:
greatgerts wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
I like him.


Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.


Nice bull. I too would like to see the video. Are you sure the bull will not break the donkey?

I am halter breaking 14 calves. I started at 6 weeks old. Thus far, all are leading but 2. I dismissed them from class. Lol



LOL. I think the donkey will do ok. She has had some pretty rank ones she has dealt with. I would love to start mine as early as you do, but that just hasn't worked out that I can yet. My fall calves will get broke much younger though. Normally, the spring calves would have been started by now, but we had a bunch more that went to sales, and those took precedence over the ones left.
I can normally tell within a couple of weeks who will or won't break. Sometimes though, I am just too hard-headed about one and keep trying past that.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:22 am

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Bright Raven wrote:
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Thank you. I really like this young bull myself. He has not been pushed at all. I'm actually hoping to get him broke soon. The donkey may have her work cut out.


Nice bull. I too would like to see the video. Are you sure the bull will not break the donkey?

I am halter breaking 14 calves. I started at 6 weeks old. Thus far, all are leading but 2. I dismissed them from class. Lol



LOL. I think the donkey will do ok. She has had some pretty rank ones she has dealt with. I would love to start mine as early as you do, but that just hasn't worked out that I can yet. My fall calves will get broke much younger though. Normally, the spring calves would have been started by now, but we had a bunch more that went to sales, and those took precedence over the ones left.
I can normally tell within a couple of weeks who will or won't break. Sometimes though, I am just too hard-headed about one and keep trying past that.


I have one that is very docile but when you go to lead her, she goes nuts. Then I have one bull that is just nasty. I decided 12 out of 14 is good enough.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:37 am

I'd like to halter break one for all the farm days we do. The kids are always wanting to touch and pet the cow or calf we bring. I just can't convince myself it's something that you should do with a cow. I know I'd never halter train a bull, their definitely to unpredictable and to much liability involved for us.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:41 am

True Grit Farms wrote:I'd like to halter break one for all the farm days we do. The kids are always wanting to touch and pet the cow or calf we bring. I just can't convince myself it's something that you should do with a cow. I know I'd never halter train a bull, their definitely to unpredictable and to much liability involved for us.


Vince, I sell a couple bulls a year at Farm Fest in Springfield MO. They have to be halter broke to market in those venues.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:51 am

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True Grit Farms wrote:I'd like to halter break one for all the farm days we do. The kids are always wanting to touch and pet the cow or calf we bring. I just can't convince myself it's something that you should do with a cow. I know I'd never halter train a bull, their definitely to unpredictable and to much liability involved for us.


Vince, I sell a couple bulls a year at Farm Fest in Springfield MO. They have to be halter broke to market in those venues.

We lose a farmer a year to his pet bull around here it seems. When you sell a bull do you have the customer sign a release of liability contract? I've never bought or sold a halter trained bull, but I would think if he was on a rope and got excited and hurt or killed someone the seller would be responsible myself.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:57 am

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True Grit Farms wrote:I'd like to halter break one for all the farm days we do. The kids are always wanting to touch and pet the cow or calf we bring. I just can't convince myself it's something that you should do with a cow. I know I'd never halter train a bull, their definitely to unpredictable and to much liability involved for us.


Vince, I sell a couple bulls a year at Farm Fest in Springfield MO. They have to be halter broke to market in those venues.

We lose a farmer a year to his pet bull around here it seems. When you sell a bull do you have the customer sign a release of liability contract? I've never bought or sold a halter trained bull, but I would think if he was on a rope and got excited and hurt or killed someone the seller would be responsible myself.


I would say you are correct. As you know, these venues display bulls for public viewing. I don't think anyone would sign a release.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:17 am

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Vince, I sell a couple bulls a year at Farm Fest in Springfield MO. They have to be halter broke to market in those venues.

We lose a farmer a year to his pet bull around here it seems. When you sell a bull do you have the customer sign a release of liability contract? I've never bought or sold a halter trained bull, but I would think if he was on a rope and got excited and hurt or killed someone the seller would be responsible myself.


I would say you are correct. As you know, these venues display bulls for public viewing. I don't think anyone would sign a release.

Just a thought, we had a registered heifer get out at the fair grounds last year trying to load. She was calm till all the cowboy's started chasing her. She almost got on the interstate twice, finally a vet got a dart into her about 2 miles away in downtown Perry. No one got hurt including the heifer, but our steaks were cold at the GCA ball.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:45 am

Halter broke bulls are no more dangerous than a non-halter broke one. You cannot trust ANY bull.
Actually, bulls are probably the easiest to halter break. All bulls over 6 months of age must have a nose ring to show. It is a real good attitude adjustment control.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Boot Jack Bulls » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:49 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
greatgerts wrote:
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Nice bull. I too would like to see the video. Are you sure the bull will not break the donkey?

I am halter breaking 14 calves. I started at 6 weeks old. Thus far, all are leading but 2. I dismissed them from class. Lol



LOL. I think the donkey will do ok. She has had some pretty rank ones she has dealt with. I would love to start mine as early as you do, but that just hasn't worked out that I can yet. My fall calves will get broke much younger though. Normally, the spring calves would have been started by now, but we had a bunch more that went to sales, and those took precedence over the ones left.
I can normally tell within a couple of weeks who will or won't break. Sometimes though, I am just too hard-headed about one and keep trying past that.


I have one that is very docile but when you go to lead her, she goes nuts. Then I have one bull that is just nasty. I decided 12 out of 14 is good enough.


Ron, that heifer is the kind that a donkey works great for! They learn in a heck of a hurry that the donkey makes the decisions, not them. We have only had one get hurt by the donk, and she deserved it! When the swelling in her face went back down, she was ready to show.
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