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Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:52 am
by Caustic Burno
Brute 23 wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 10:55 pm
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 8:40 pm
Drovers has profit at 67 bucks a year.
https://www.drovers.com/article/cattle- ... ility-2019
That's in Tennessee I assume? Our costs are not any where near that.

That article shows $241 for pasture, $168 for hay, and a 90% calving rate... I'd find a new hobby with numbers like that. You dont stand a chance.
Those are probably real close numbers.
My hay cost is 200 per cow.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:54 am
by cowrancher75
i feed for 7 months i don't even want to calculate my hay costs.\\

ok. i just did.. for my quality hay I can sell for 50/bale easily that would be around 350/cow in hay..


wow.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:10 am
by Caustic Burno
cowrancher75 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:54 am
i feed for 7 months i don't even want to calculate my hay costs.\\

ok. i just did.. for my quality hay I can sell for 50/bale easily that would be around 350/cow in hay..


wow.

I figure it costs me right at 550 a year to run a cow. So with a 100% calving rate, you don’t loose a cow everything perfect that’s 250 profit per head.
That’s in a perfect world that’s not happening.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:35 am
by 1982vett
cowrancher75 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:54 am
i feed for 7 months i don't even want to calculate my hay costs.\\

ok. i just did.. for my quality hay I can sell for 50/bale easily that would be around 350/cow in hay..


wow.
So, you can make more selling hay rather than raising cattle?

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:50 am
by Dave
Around here it is $20-30 a month per cow (pair) depending on the quality of the pasture. That is during the grazing season which is mid April to late October most years.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 am
by Brute 23
I average about 1 bale per head per year and there is no way my land cost is $241 per head. Im more like $150- 175. Even in drought years we only do 1.5-2.5 bales per head.

Those numbers do not apply to every one.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 9:32 am
by Caustic Burno
Brute 23 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 am
I average about 1 bale per head per year and there is no way my land cost is $241 per head. Im more like $150- 175. Even in drought years we only do 1.5-2.5 bales per head.

Those numbers do not apply to every one.
Land and maintenance cost are more than a lot of people calculate.
Every time you crank a vehicle to check on a cow or to buy a fence post for one, that’s on the cow.
You add that with taxes, medical, feed, loses bovine is a pretty expensive addiction. We buy retail and sale wholesale. Lot of welfare cattle out there.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 9:46 am
by Brute 23
That's why lease land can be more profitable. I lock that land cost in at $100 then there are just minor maintenance costs and in my case spraying. Taxes, fence, and a lot of those other expences are on the land owner.

Its also an economy of scale game. The same equipment will usually service 30 head and 130 head. The guy with 130 head will have a lower cost per head.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 9:55 am
by Caustic Burno
Brute 23 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:46 am
That's why lease land can be more profitable. I lock that land cost in at $100 then there are just minor maintenance costs and in my case spraying. Taxes, fence, and a lot of those other expences are on the land owner.

Its also an economy of scale game. The same equipment will usually service 30 head and 130 head. The guy with 130 head will have a lower cost per head.
I disagree when it comes to apples to apples. If it takes one acre or fifty to carry a cow makes a huge difference.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 10:13 am
by Brute 23
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:55 am
Brute 23 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:46 am
That's why lease land can be more profitable. I lock that land cost in at $100 then there are just minor maintenance costs and in my case spraying. Taxes, fence, and a lot of those other expences are on the land owner.

Its also an economy of scale game. The same equipment will usually service 30 head and 130 head. The guy with 130 head will have a lower cost per head.
I disagree when it comes to apples to apples. If it takes one acre or fifty to carry a cow makes a huge difference.
That is also true and is a factor but that's not what I'm talking about. The same tractor, truck, trailer, squeeze chute, etc services 30 or 130.

Yes, a property with a lower ac/ head ratio will be more cost effective.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 10:19 am
by True Grit Farms
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:32 am
Brute 23 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 am
I average about 1 bale per head per year and there is no way my land cost is $241 per head. Im more like $150- 175. Even in drought years we only do 1.5-2.5 bales per head.

Those numbers do not apply to every one.
Land and maintenance cost are more than a lot of people calculate.
Every time you crank a vehicle to check on a cow or to buy a fence post for one, that’s on the cow.
You add that with taxes,
medical, feed, loses bovine is a pretty expensive addiction. We buy retail and sale wholesale. Lot of welfare cattle out there.
To the best of my knowledge I had most of the expense above before cattle. Cattle work good with deer management, but pine trees is where the money's at around here.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 10:22 am
by Caustic Burno
True Grit Farms wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:19 am
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:32 am
Brute 23 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 am
I average about 1 bale per head per year and there is no way my land cost is $241 per head. Im more like $150- 175. Even in drought years we only do 1.5-2.5 bales per head.

Those numbers do not apply to every one.
Land and maintenance cost are more than a lot of people calculate.
Every time you crank a vehicle to check on a cow or to buy a fence post for one, that’s on the cow.
You add that with taxes,
medical, feed, loses bovine is a pretty expensive addiction. We buy retail and sale wholesale. Lot of welfare cattle out there.
To the best of my knowledge I had most of the expense above before cattle. Cattle work good with deer management, but pine trees is where the money's at around here.

Hay is rapidly becoming what to raise here.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 10:25 am
by True Grit Farms
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:22 am
True Grit Farms wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:19 am
Caustic Burno wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:32 am


Land and maintenance cost are more than a lot of people calculate.
Every time you crank a vehicle to check on a cow or to buy a fence post for one, that’s on the cow.
You add that with taxes,
medical, feed, loses bovine is a pretty expensive addiction. We buy retail and sale wholesale. Lot of welfare cattle out there.
To the best of my knowledge I had most of the expense above before cattle. Cattle work good with deer management, but pine trees is where the money's at around here.

Hay is rapidly becoming what to raise here.
You're absolutely right, all the good barn stored hay from last year is sold out. And last year was a phenomenal hay year around here.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:02 pm
by Midtenn
I don't see how some of you stay in business at the costs you're quoting on here. My limit on grass costs is $100 per pair plus bush hog yearly. I have one place where the rent consumes the full $100, but my landlord understand I won't be fertilizing or spraying. Most of my places I get for around $50 per pair which allows me to invest in routine spraying and fertilizer. If a place is overgrown with weeds, or requires a lot of initial fence repairs by me, I usually negotiate the first year free. It's not really free, I still end up spending the $100 per pair one way or another.

Hay costs run $150 to $180 depending on severity of winter.

Re: What to Charge for Lease?

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:03 am
by cowrancher75
1982vett wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:35 am
cowrancher75 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:54 am
i feed for 7 months i don't even want to calculate my hay costs.\\

ok. i just did.. for my quality hay I can sell for 50/bale easily that would be around 350/cow in hay..


wow.
So, you can make more selling hay rather than raising cattle?
yea i figured it out and i'd be ahead to just sell the hay. I'd probably make another 8-10k.. be nice :lol2: