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Re: Dead calf!

Post by tncattle » Fri May 24, 2019 10:26 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
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cougar
Wrong.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Son of Butch » Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 pm

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I had a friend who used to be employed by farmers who were losing livestock. He used to camp there for a week and shoot whatever it was in the act. Every farmer had their theories what it was. He said 9 times out of ten it was the farmers own dog which came as a huge shock to them. The rest was next doors dog or close by. I'm thinking everything is pointing to that pit bull.
Could be a werewolf.
I shot a werewolf once... but it turned back into neighbor's dog before I could document it. :)

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Redgully » Fri May 24, 2019 10:50 pm

Sometimes its an awkward situation. My cousin who is a good mate got a dog for pig hunting. Taught it to kill, not just catch. He then lost interest and we all knew it was killing livestock. I chased it out our place twice and never said a word to anyone. Luckily and by some miracle the dog disappeared. We all (except one of us) believe it was stolen!

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Caustic Burno » Fri May 24, 2019 11:08 pm

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Just found a 2 week old calf dead in the pasture with intestines out and eyes gone from buzzards. She was totally fine yesterday, nursing and running around. :bang:
Healthy calf end up dead and buzzards showing up to the buffet say dog to me.
Dog kills for fun leaving the meal for second and third parties to take the blame.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Silver » Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 pm

Dogs generally maul an animal really bad in the process of killing them. Unless the calf was chewed up pretty bad I’d consider another avenue. 2week old calves can be healthy one minute, dead of bloat the next. Lots of possibilities..

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Redgully » Sat May 25, 2019 12:15 am

Silver wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 pm
Dogs generally maul an animal really bad in the process of killing them. Unless the calf was chewed up pretty bad I’d consider another avenue. 2week old calves can be healthy one minute, dead of bloat the next. Lots of possibilities..
It is true they usually take the neck apart but they also like to drag the intestines out and spread them around.

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Silver » Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am

Redgully wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:15 am
Silver wrote:
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Dogs generally maul an animal really bad in the process of killing them. Unless the calf was chewed up pretty bad I’d consider another avenue. 2week old calves can be healthy one minute, dead of bloat the next. Lots of possibilities..
It is true they usually take the neck apart but they also like to drag the intestines out and spread them around.
Yes they will, plus ripped up noses, ears, tails etc. Dogs aren’t good at killing, they like to grab whatever is close at hand and rip away at it. Almost always a mess, and an obvious one at that.

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by greybeard » Sat May 25, 2019 1:04 am

Silver wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am
Redgully wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:15 am
Silver wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 pm
Dogs generally maul an animal really bad in the process of killing them. Unless the calf was chewed up pretty bad I’d consider another avenue. 2week old calves can be healthy one minute, dead of bloat the next. Lots of possibilities..
It is true they usually take the neck apart but they also like to drag the intestines out and spread them around.
Yes they will, plus ripped up noses, ears, tails etc. Dogs aren’t good at killing, they like to grab whatever is close at hand and rip away at it. Almost always a mess, and an obvious one at that.
That's been my limited experience with dog mauled calves as well. Cuts on the shanks too and bloody tails.
The evidence left depends a lot on the size of the dogs.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by True Grit Farms » Sat May 25, 2019 6:14 am

Silver wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am
Redgully wrote:
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Silver wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 pm
Dogs generally maul an animal really bad in the process of killing them. Unless the calf was chewed up pretty bad I’d consider another avenue. 2week old calves can be healthy one minute, dead of bloat the next. Lots of possibilities..
It is true they usually take the neck apart but they also like to drag the intestines out and spread them around.
Yes they will, plus ripped up noses, ears, tails etc. Dogs aren’t good at killing, they like to grab whatever is close at hand and rip away at it. Almost always a mess, and an obvious one at that.
Just a lot ifs, and if it was a dog, it probably was dogs and they'll be back.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sat May 25, 2019 6:20 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 6:14 am
Silver wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am
Redgully wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:15 am


It is true they usually take the neck apart but they also like to drag the intestines out and spread them around.
Yes they will, plus ripped up noses, ears, tails etc. Dogs aren’t good at killing, they like to grab whatever is close at hand and rip away at it. Almost always a mess, and an obvious one at that.
Just a lot ifs, and if it was a dog, it probably was dogs and they'll be back.
And unfortunately this property is close to lots of homes with lots of potential suspects. A really cool set up to find this much land in such proximity to an urban environment.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by True Grit Farms » Sat May 25, 2019 6:27 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 6:20 am
True Grit Farms wrote:
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Silver wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am


Yes they will, plus ripped up noses, ears, tails etc. Dogs aren’t good at killing, they like to grab whatever is close at hand and rip away at it. Almost always a mess, and an obvious one at that.
Just a lot ifs, and if it was a dog, it probably was dogs and they'll be back.
And unfortunately this property is close to lots of homes with lots of potential suspects. A really cool set up to find this much land in such proximity to an urban environment.
Add people add problems.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Caustic Burno » Sat May 25, 2019 9:57 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 6:27 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 6:20 am
True Grit Farms wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 6:14 am


Just a lot ifs, and if it was a dog, it probably was dogs and they'll be back.
And unfortunately this property is close to lots of homes with lots of potential suspects. A really cool set up to find this much land in such proximity to an urban environment.
Add people add problems.
Properly baited an 8x4 hog trap will catch all kind of critters.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by alisonb » Sat May 25, 2019 12:23 pm

tncattle wrote:
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There were no marks on its neck from a possible dog kill. What could make it’s intestines pop out like that?
Spose it's too late to skin it? If you can check for any marks/hemorrhaging under the skin. Predator attack must leave marks after a kill.
Could she have injured herself on something...fence, implement etc? Any cows with horns?
If this was a dog/canine attack you would see signs.
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Re: Dead calf!

Post by Ky hills » Sat May 25, 2019 3:07 pm

Could be a number of things. Some pneumonias/respiratory diseases can take them pretty quickly though I haven't seen or heard of those issues quite yet this year. Not to bring up a touchy subject for some, but I have also heard that sometimes during calving a larger calf may be injured internally and appear ok then die later due to the internal injury.
If it was a predatory loss which I think that is a good possibility, I doubt buzzards or eagles were the culprits with that age calf, a newborn would certainly be a target for them.
Like others have said dogs are always a real possibility but usually there is a bloody mauled up mess and a likelihood of more than one victim. Coyotes would be very high on my suspect list, as they have pretty much eliminated the roaming dog issues here in recent years. Usually they will eat a lot of the carcass then come back until its gone if it isn't moved. Cows may have heard the commotion and ran them off before they had a chance.
The neighboring dog though could be the cause too, in my opinion saying a dog isn't allowed somewhere is useless unless there is a barrier to prevent them from going under over through the fence or gate. If the dog is loose and not checked on frequently especially overnight they have no idea what he is doing or where he is. My dogs aren't allowed out in the pasture either but that doesn't mean they don't go out there. Do the other cattle act different, dogs or predators running them can be stressful and dangerous to them? They can get sick from being run especially in hot weather wouldn't take much. Anyways sorry about the loss of a calf that is bad no matter what the cause.

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Re: Dead calf!

Post by kenny thomas » Sat May 25, 2019 8:51 pm

tncattle wrote:
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Farm owner said he talked to his brother and the brother said the dog isn’t allowed down where the cattle are and it wasn’t him. The brother has lied more than once about things in the past so I don’t believe him. Owner said could it be a bald eagle? There are two that frequent the area. I don’t know much about bald eagles but I’m betting it’s the dog over the eagle.
I will promise you that it wasn't a bald eagle kill. They will eat on it but they won't kill it.
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