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An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:58 am
by Bcompton53
I ran across this in my daily topic research.
Sorry Brookhill, but it made me think of you. :hide:
http://www.manzanoangus.com/weaning-wei ... -too-much/

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 am
by True Grit Farms
Anyone that has run commercial cattle for any length of time has came to the same conclusion. It's not just Angus cattle, XL cattle of any breed have the same short comings. Getting something for nothing only works on paper.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:01 pm
by 76 Bar
Ran across that site some time ago and heartily agree.
Getting something for nothing only works on paper.
Amen and then some.
IMO Those who haven't a proven track record in the commercial world before hanging up a purebred shingle should summarily dismissed as fraudulent imposters.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:13 pm
by sim.-ang.king
True Grit Farms wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 am
Anyone that has run commercial cattle for any length of time has came to the same conclusion. It's not just Angus cattle, XL cattle of any breed have the same short comings. Getting something for nothing only works on paper.
If big frame, and high ww were so great, and easy money, you wouldn't see simmy's with smaller frames, and lighter ww than angus.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:24 pm
by snoopdog
I see creeping with fall calvers, especially late ones, but not spring, momma ain't doing her job.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:44 pm
by cowrancher75
i have these registered angus.. some OCC and some Forever lady.. they are in head high forage.. still getting skinny with a calf on them. crazy. my stockyard cows are fat as pigs.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:46 pm
by Rafter S
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:13 pm
True Grit Farms wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 am
Anyone that has run commercial cattle for any length of time has came to the same conclusion. It's not just Angus cattle, XL cattle of any breed have the same short comings. Getting something for nothing only works on paper.
If big frame, and high ww were so great, and easy money, you wouldn't see simmy's with smaller frames, and lighter ww than angus.
Of course big frames and high weaning weights are a worthy goal. That's why Chianinas are so popular.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm
by Ebenezer
Rafter S wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:46 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:13 pm
True Grit Farms wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 am
Anyone that has run commercial cattle for any length of time has came to the same conclusion. It's not just Angus cattle, XL cattle of any breed have the same short comings. Getting something for nothing only works on paper.
If big frame, and high ww were so great, and easy money, you wouldn't see simmy's with smaller frames, and lighter ww than angus.
Of course big frames and high weaning weights are a worthy goal. That's why Chianinas are so popular.
Might have to add one more wire on top? :lol:

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:50 pm
by Nesikep
In several threads I've brought up "who wants a 1 ton momma cow?"

That's a good article, and while maybe for Manzano a 1000-1250 lb cow is good, that's a little light for what works well here.. again, vastly different environments though.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:48 am
by Son of Butch
Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:58 am
I ran across this in my daily topic research.
Sorry Brookhill, but it made me think of you. :hide:
http://www.manzanoangus.com/weaning-wei ... -too-much/
New Mexico is very rugged country.
My take away is it's best to buy cattle expected to work in New Mexico, from New Mexico
and not import genetics from Kentucky ect. and vice versa.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:08 am
by Ky hills
Nesikep wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:50 pm
In several threads I've brought up "who wants a 1 ton momma cow?"

That's a good article, and while maybe for Manzano a 1000-1250 lb cow is good, that's a little light for what works well here.. again, vastly different environments though.
No doubt that your environment there is different than it is here, however I think the size cows that work for you and I are probably fairly similar. Around 1250, to 1400 or so is my ideal range for a cow. That way the calves should have enough frame to do alright on the market. Those 1000-1250 lbs cows would work well here, but the markets seem to want larger frame calves than those would likely raise.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:29 pm
by Brookhill Angus
LOL! I have heifers that I'm getting ready to breed next month that are 1200 pounds open.

Not sure I would breed SAV America to a 1000 pounder, especially not a heifer.

By the way, if a mature cow at Manzano is roughly 1100 pounds, what do the heifers weigh? 650-750?

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:40 pm
by Bcompton53
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:29 pm
LOL! I have heifers that I'm getting ready to breed next month that are 1200 pounds open.

Not sure I would breed SAV America to a 1000 pounder, especially not a heifer.

By the way, if a mature cow at Manzano is roughly 1100 pounds, what do the heifers weigh? 650-750?
pretty wild. Just out of curiosity, can you post a few of your registered Dams reg numbers? I'm not going to criticize at all, I'm purely curious if there are noticeable differences when you get up to those kinds of weights.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:01 pm
by Brookhill Angus
This cow weighs 2200 pounds

http://bit.ly/2ESlObZ

her daughter was 1500 when she gave birth to her first calf

http://bit.ly/2WWg8IA

The 1200 pounders I have are a Harvestor daughter and a Colonel daughter, with more on the way.

Harvestor daughter

http://bit.ly/2WWg8IA

Colonel daughter

http://bit.ly/2Xw4vVu

I'm wanting to breed the heifers to SAV America next month, but have been strongly advised against doing so, because of the damage it could do to them. I heard the same things with Elation, but bred him to heifer and she calved unassisted, no issues at all.

Re: An article to make Brookhill sweat

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:47 pm
by True Grit Farms
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:01 pm
This cow weighs 2200 pounds

http://bit.ly/2ESlObZ

her daughter was 1500 when she gave birth to her first calf

http://bit.ly/2WWg8IA

The 1200 pounders I have are a Harvestor daughter and a Colonel daughter, with more on the way.

Harvestor daughter

http://bit.ly/2WWg8IA

Colonel daughter

http://bit.ly/2Xw4vVu

I'm wanting to breed the heifers to SAV America next month, but have been strongly advised against doing so, because of the damage it could do to them. I heard the same things with Elation, but bred him to heifer and she calved unassisted, no issues at all.
I'm so behind, I thought Charlo was calving ease?